ITL-2000

[jgetrouw]

When testing out an ITL-2000 on a Mosler 3 wheel safe, I noticed that
Dialer is not able to unlock the safe. Reason is that the dialer is resetting the combo
By dialing Left(CCW). This is okay for most standard 3 wheel locks. The Mosler however resets
Turning Right (CW). So first number has to be dialed Right.
Is there a way of tricking the ITL-2000? Or to reset with dialing Right? Or using 4 number sequence
Instead of 3
Any comments and help is appreciated. I do not need to open the safe. I have the combo
Just testing out the dialer

[Squelchtone]

This does not qualify for a "beginners' hobby lock picking question"

moving this to This Old Safe where we discuss safes.

[Squelchtone]

Which Mosler lock are you asking about? The most common one, the 302 variety, opens LRL

There should be a Right/Left button on it to change dialing direction.

I have dialed open a 4 number antique Mosler with one, it was also LRLR with Left to stop.

[jgetrouw]

Which Mosler lock are you asking about? The most common one, the 302 variety, opens LRL

There should be a Right/Left button on it to change dialing direction.

I have dialed open a 4 number antique Mosler with one, it was also LRLR with Left to stop.

Dear Squelchtone,

Thank you for replying. The mosler lock is most probable a B-103.
It's opening sequence is RLR dialing to left stop (30)
You can manage to open it dialing the otherway LRL, but that requires some additional actions.
First the dialing numbers are then not the same as set on the wheels. You need to dial a different sequence that aligns the wheels from the left (LRL).After having dialed that adapted sequence you have to turn dial to the right, just passing 30 (at about 22) you hear the fence fall into the gates.Then you change dialing direction to left and this will retract the lock and blocks at 30.The safe can be opened.
There is indeed a L/R button on the robot dialer, but in my case it did not change the dialing sequence. I will set it up again and verify if I am able to enable that feature or fool it with a 4 number sequence.
This Mosler lock I found on a Mosler-protectall custodian round door wall safe.

Best regards.

[stratmando]

Just curious, never worked with Dialers.
Does The RLR/LRL SWITCH basically just Reverse Polarity on the Dialer or would it do different action than that?

[jgetrouw]

Just curious, never worked with Dialers.
Does The RLR/LRL SWITCH basically just Reverse Polarity on the Dialer or would it do different action than that?

Dear Stratmando,

I actually do not see nothing happening with the L/R switch. No indication if it is in the L or R position. In the dialing action nothing is changing. All wheels are initially set to left (AWL) regardless of the L/R switch.

Regards.

[Squelchtone]

Just curious, never worked with Dialers.
Does The RLR/LRL SWITCH basically just Reverse Polarity on the Dialer or would it do different action than that?

Dear Stratmando,

I actually do not see nothing happening with the L/R switch. No indication if it is in the L or R position. In the dialing action nothing is changing. All wheels are initially set to left (AWL) regardless of the L/R switch.

Regards.

I would have to dig up the manual, but I think you would press that button during the programming phase of the dialing before you ever start dialing. I may be misremembering as well, it has been a while since I had my ITL 1000 dialer.

[stratmando]

Was Thinking it uses a DC Motor, And Reversing Polarity will reverse Motor Direction? Just a Thought

[peterwn]

Was Thinking it uses a DC Motor, And Reversing Polarity will reverse Motor Direction? Just a Thought

A DC motor that uses a permanent magnet for the field will change direction if the polarity is reversed. If it uses an electromagnet for the field, reversing polarity to the motor connections will not change direction. Either the field polarity or the rotor polarity (but not both) needs to be changed to change motor direction.
Small DC motors generally use a permanent magnet, but large DC motors (eg on subway trains) use electromagnets.

[jgetrouw]

Which Mosler lock are you asking about? The most common one, the 302 variety, opens LRL

There should be a Right/Left button on it to change dialing direction.

I have dialed open a 4 number antique Mosler with one, it was also LRLR with Left to stop.

Dear Squelchtone,

Thank you for replying. The mosler lock is most probable a B-103.
It's opening sequence is RLR dialing to left stop (30)
You can manage to open it dialing the otherway LRL, but that requires some additional actions.
First the dialing numbers are then not the same as set on the wheels. You need to dial a different sequence that aligns the wheels from the left (LRL).After having dialed that adapted sequence you have to turn dial to the right, just passing 30 (at about 22) you hear the fence fall into the gates.Then you change dialing direction to left and this will retract the lock and blocks at 30.The safe can be opened.
There is indeed a L/R button on the robot dialer, but in my case it did not change the dialing sequence. I will set it up again and verify if I am able to enable that feature or fool it with a 4 number sequence.
This Mosler lock I found on a Mosler-protectall custodian round door wall safe.

Best regards.

I have set this ITL-2000 dialer to a similar safe and it succesfully stopped with combination found, however the safe was still closed and locked. However by manually turning the dial left passing the zero it stopped at 30. This is the open position for the safe. However to have the correct opening sequence, it is better to read it from the wheel packs if the safe is open. This is a slightly different sequence at the dialer is displaying. Important is to set up the dialer correctly and a little knowledge of the safe in question is needed to open the safe sucessfully. The time that the dialer worked on opening this particular safe was fast in under 7 minutes. ( This depends on the combination) I had no prior knowledge of the combination of this particular safe.

Best regards

Best Regards

[stratmando]

Hopefully it Doesn't Have a Subway Motor. Reverse Wires at Motor, It Will Work or Wont Work, Look for a Blocking Diode.