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Strange problem of beginer

Having read the FAQ's you are still unfulfilled and seek more enlightenment, so post your general lock picking questions here.
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Strange problem of beginer

Postby Ris22122 » 25 Oct 2023 5:42

Hi Dears,

Locking has been my new hobby for the last few days.

I bought lockpicks and acrylic locks as well. When the postman delivered the parcel I opened the parcel and started training. I opened one of the acrylic locks within a few minutes but did not open the second one. I noticed that when I use lockpicks (picture below) and tension wrench (picture below) to pick pins up, the pins after pushing up fall automatically down so the result is the same as if I had not used the tensioner or the appropriate pick.

I kindly ask for an explanation of why the pins are falling down. What I have to do is block the pins in the relevant place in the lock to open the lock.

Also is it make any sense to buy stuff from Amazon?

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Re: Strange problem of beginer

Postby Squelchtone » 25 Oct 2023 9:38

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Re: Strange problem of beginer

Postby Midnight Philopicker » 25 Oct 2023 20:48

You may be wedging your tensioner in a way that is get it jammed in the keyway, rather then actually turning the core. Also if a pin is not binding, it will drop even after lifting it, even if you are tensioning the lock properly. It may be that you need to set another pin first. Lastly it could be that your lock itself is damaged. If this is the case, then the key wouldn't work either, so test with the key to test this possibility.

As for getting picks from Amazon... I won't lie, they suck. BUT there is no comparison when it comes to shipping time and cost. So that being said, to start off for the first few weeks, it's not too bad to see if you are really into the hobby or not.

Once you are more certain you want to do it long term, then be willing to spend about $50-$100 on nice tools (keep in mind part of this cost will be for shipping, around $5-$30 on average depending on where you buy them from). My top 3 recommendations for the best lockpicks available on the market today are:

- Moki
- JimyLongs
- Law Lock Tools
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Re: Strange problem of beginer

Postby billdeserthills » 26 Oct 2023 1:00

You might have better luck with a different tension wrench, I like HPC TR-4
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Re: Strange problem of beginer

Postby FranklyFlawless » 26 Oct 2023 5:06

Ris22122 wrote:I kindly ask for an explanation of why the pins are falling down. What I have to do is block the pins in the relevant place in the lock to open the lock.

You may not be applying enough tension to bind the driver pins.

  1. Insert the tension tool into the bottom of the keyway, then apply some rotational tension clockwise using it to bind the driver pins.
  2. While still applying rotational tension using the tension tool, insert a lockpick, then attempt to find the pin that is binding to the plug. It will require more force to lift it using the lockpick than the other pins.
  3. While still applying rotational tension using the tension tool, lift the binding pin upwards until it reaches the shear line. You may hear a click sound. Lower the lockpick and confirm that the pin stays up.
  4. Repeat steps 2 and 3 until all pins have been set.
  5. Rotate the cylinder clockwise using the tension tool until the lock is unlocked.
Ris22122 wrote:Also is it make any sense to buy stuff from Amazon?

For just starting off in exploring a potential hobby, maybe. For anything past that, it is much better to invest in good tools and authentic locks from your local hardware store or locksmith.
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Re: Strange problem of beginer

Postby luckey » 5 Nov 2023 20:17

You have had some great advice here. Just try applying a small amount of tension at first and realise that all the pins will come back down - all, except the binding pin. If all the pins do fall down and no pin is binding then apply a little bit more tension and repeat the process. Light tension is usually enough. With locks that are badly made, however, really heavy tension may be necessary. Transparent locks are often not the best to practice single pin picking with, unfortunately. I've just had similar problems myself. They're great to show you what is going on inside a lock, but not much else in my opinion. If you can afford it try and purchase a cutaway lock. They still show you what's going on inside the lock, but in my opinion, act more like a real lock than transparent locks. Hope you have success.
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