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Key blank shorter than SC1

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Key blank shorter than SC1

Postby wildbluephlox » 8 Jan 2024 0:32

I’m in the U.S. trying to make a copy of a key that is slightly shorter than a SC1. The two locksmith places I took it to in Southern California both didn’t carry this size. The second place told me it looked like a smaller version of a size 68. Can anyone tell me what name of a key blank this is?
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Re: Key blank shorter than SC1

Postby RedStagKiller » 8 Jan 2024 10:24

Looks like a SC1 to me. Its 5 pinned. Any professional should be able to trim down an sc1 to whatever length you need. But it shouldn't be needed unless it a weird messed up lock.
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Re: Key blank shorter than SC1

Postby GWiens2001 » 10 Jan 2024 23:17

RedStagKiller wrote:Looks like a SC1 to me. Its 5 pinned. Any professional should be able to trim down an sc1 to whatever length you need. But it shouldn't be needed unless it a weird messed up lock.


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Re: Key blank shorter than SC1

Postby Joe Momma » 11 Jan 2024 4:59

Scaling the image to match regular SC-1 the key is indeed to short and the keyway looks modified on the side showing.

Key was likely modified for something other than a true SC-1 lock
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Re: Key blank shorter than SC1

Postby Evan » 14 Jan 2024 21:19

GWiens2001 wrote:
RedStagKiller wrote:Looks like a SC1 to me. Its 5 pinned. Any professional should be able to trim down an sc1 to whatever length you need. But it shouldn't be needed unless it a weird messed up lock.


+1

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+1

Can always trim a key that is too long to make it shorter. The real trick is trying to make them longer when it is just a hair too short.
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Re: Key blank shorter than SC1

Postby GWiens2001 » 15 Jan 2024 19:41

Evan wrote:
+1

Can always trim a key that is too long to make it shorter. The real trick is trying to make them longer when it is just a hair too short.


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Re: Key blank shorter than SC1

Postby wildbluephlox » 21 Jan 2024 20:54

Thank you all so much for your help!! I went back to the locksmith, and they were able to do it for me. After I spoke with the owner over the phone. Apparently his staff wasn't informed on how to trim or cut into shorter locks lol.
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Re: Key blank shorter than SC1

Postby GWiens2001 » 22 Jan 2024 1:23

wildbluephlox wrote:Thank you all so much for your help!! I went back to the locksmith, and they were able to do it for me. After I spoke with the owner over the phone. Apparently his staff wasn't informed on how to trim or cut into shorter locks lol.


Glad everything worked out well for you! We really do appreciate you letting us know the final outcome. So many times, we just don't hear from the person again and are left in suspense over whether the help we offered worked.

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Re: Key blank shorter than SC1

Postby wildbluephlox » 22 Jan 2024 6:46

*shorter keys
typo in my previous post :P
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Re: Key blank shorter than SC1

Postby Raymond » 22 Jan 2024 22:09

I have noticed a lot of foreign imported lock cylinders installed by the door companies. On some the spacing is off and on others the holes are not drilled deep enough. Most of the locks are within specs. However I have seen three cylinders that would not accept the SC1 key. The original key supplied with the locks said SC1 but the blank was made in Mexico. The blank was a little thinner overall. The only key I found to fit was the Schlage "H" (master) key blank. FYI for those not actually in the business.
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Re: Key blank shorter than SC1

Postby GWiens2001 » 23 Jan 2024 7:57

Raymond wrote:I have noticed a lot of foreign imported lock cylinders installed by the door companies. On some the spacing is off and on others the holes are not drilled deep enough. Most of the locks are within specs. However I have seen three cylinders that would not accept the SC1 key. The original key supplied with the locks said SC1 but the blank was made in Mexico. The blank was a little thinner overall. The only key I found to fit was the Schlage "H" (master) key blank. FYI for those not actually in the business.


For the tight keyways, use a JMA SC1 blank. They are thinner and have no problem fitting into those locks with tighter keyways.

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Re: Key blank shorter than SC1

Postby billdeserthills » 23 Jan 2024 21:21

GWiens2001 wrote:
Raymond wrote:I have noticed a lot of foreign imported lock cylinders installed by the door companies. On some the spacing is off and on others the holes are not drilled deep enough. Most of the locks are within specs. However I have seen three cylinders that would not accept the SC1 key. The original key supplied with the locks said SC1 but the blank was made in Mexico. The blank was a little thinner overall. The only key I found to fit was the Schlage "H" (master) key blank. FYI for those not actually in the business.


For the tight keyways, use a JMA SC1 blank. They are thinner and have no problem fitting into those locks with tighter keyways.

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