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Safe Lock identification please

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Safe Lock identification please

Postby Socreates » 21 Feb 2024 8:58

I am trying to identify a Gardall safe lock. I picked it up without a combination thinking it would be a fun project to learn on. So far it’s been challenging as I cannot detect the contact points. The dial is loose (it moves almost 1/4”) lots of play. I think based on what I can tell visually it appears to be a Lagard dial. It’s an old safe probably 30 years or more the serial # is 27***. Only 5 digits. Any information you guys can provide would be very much appreciated!

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Re: Safe Lock identification please

Postby Squelchtone » 21 Feb 2024 10:55

The dial and dial ring do look like the Lagard 2085 Visiongard, so the lock inside is probably the Lagard 3330 Group 2 or perhaps a Group 2M 3390
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Re: Safe Lock identification please

Postby MartinHewitt » 21 Feb 2024 11:20

The 3390 feels like there is a hill around 10 where you have to turn uphill and then can run downhill. Very subtle contact points.
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Re: Safe Lock identification please

Postby Socreates » 21 Feb 2024 19:20

Great! This may be tougher than I initially expected. I really appreciate both of your inputs. Does gaurdall usually mix and match their lock sets and dials? I assumed they didn’t. Thats my ignorance. I am willing to learn though. I have read Daggers E book on Safecracking for everyone and thought it would be fun.

I am still willing but the dial seems very loose. It also squeaks. I find it very distracting.

What is the best strategy to find the contact points? I originally thought I found them but now it seems that I wasn’t right. Should I focus on wheel isolation or will some other strategy work better?
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