The door key SC1 73272 definition

[piezomot]

I bought a door with a lock for my new porch and want to redo the lock so that it can be opened with my front door key. My front door key SC1 key has a pin spacing of 0.156" and the number 73272 printed on it. I measured the distance from the bottom of the key and on the key starting from the front of the key (every 0.156") - first - 0.306", second - 0.23", third - 0.305", fourth - 0.288", fifth - 0.228, first, sixth - 0.328". Looks like I need six (or maybe five) bottom pins and a few top pins. I hypothesize that my key has only 5 pins and these pins are 73272. What would be the pin's sizing and diameter corresponding to these numbers 2, 3 & 7? Also, how can I find out if the top pins are the same? I would appreciate it if someone could help me with this so I can purchase the exact pins to rebuild my lock. Again I just googled it and it looks like I need:

Pin #2, (4.572mm,0.18in), QTY2.
Pin #3 (4.953mm,0.195in), QTY1
Pin #7 (6.477mm,0.255in), QTY2

[FranklyFlawless]

Your research looks right to me. Driver pins, which are the top pins, are the same length as each other.

[billdeserthills]

A Schlage #2 pin actually measures .195
A #3 pin is .210
A #7 pin is .270

Your lengths are under by .015

[FranklyFlawless]

Thank you, I appreciate the correction.

[piezomot]

A Schlage #2 pin actually measures .195
A #3 pin is .210
A #7 pin is .270

Your lengths are under by .015

Thank you for your prompt reply! Someone informed me on YouTube about the proper pin sizing for my project. Can someone confirm this, please?

1 cut “7B pin = .270 + 3T pin = .200”
2 cut “3B pin = .210 + 1T pin = .237”
3 cut “2B pin = .195 + 1T pin = .237”
4 cut “7B pin = .270 + 3T pin = .165”
5 cut “2B pin = .195 + 1T pin = .237”
Diameter .015

For some reason, the pin 3T is listed as .200” and .165” there.

https://youtu.be/qNd3zqKX5oM

If it is correct I have a question - where can I order these pins? Thank you!

[Squelchtone]

What's your budget for this project and will you ever need to repin a lock after this one?

Here is a basic pin kit for $35 on ebay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/175557693535

Or you can bring the cylinder to Home Depot and hope the kid working the key machine stand repins it for you and charges you $5 bucks,

You can also bring the cylinder and key to a local locksmith shop and pay them $25 +/- to repin it to your front door key.

Unfortunately, you can't just buy a handful of pins for a dollar or two like buying different sized screws at the hardware store.

If some nice member here wants to help you they might throw some pins in the mail and send them to you.

Squelchtone

[piezomot]

What's your budget for this project and will you ever need to repin a lock after this one?

Here is a basic pin kit for $35 on ebay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/175557693535

Or you can bring the cylinder to Home Depot and hope the kid working the key machine stand repins it for you and charges you $5 bucks,

You can also bring the cylinder and key to a local locksmith shop and pay them $25 +/- to repin it to your front door key.

Unfortunately, you can't just buy a handful of pins for a dollar or two like buying different sized screws at the hardware store.

If some nice member here wants to help you they might throw some pins in the mail and send them to you.

Squelchtone

Thank you for your prompt reply! My concern with that eBay listing is that it has the top pin sizing of 0.235 inches but I need the Schlage top pin sizing of 0.237 inches:


I will need these pins:
2B pin = .195in QTY 2
3B pin = .210in QTY 1
7B pin = .270in QTY 2
1T pin = .237in QTY 3
3T pin = .165in QTY 2

[Squelchtone]

What's your budget for this project and will you ever need to repin a lock after this one?

Here is a basic pin kit for $35 on ebay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/175557693535

Or you can bring the cylinder to Home Depot and hope the kid working the key machine stand repins it for you and charges you $5 bucks,

You can also bring the cylinder and key to a local locksmith shop and pay them $25 +/- to repin it to your front door key.

Unfortunately, you can't just buy a handful of pins for a dollar or two like buying different sized screws at the hardware store.

If some nice member here wants to help you they might throw some pins in the mail and send them to you.

Squelchtone

Thank you for your prompt reply! My concern with that eBay listing is that it has the top pin sizing of 0.235 inches but I need the Schlage top pin sizing of 0.237 inches:


I will need these pins:
2B pin = .195in QTY 2
3B pin = .210in QTY 1
7B pin = .270in QTY 2
1T pin = .237in QTY 3
3T pin = .165in QTY 2

Top pins do not need to be *THAT* accurate, it doesn't matter.

[Squelchtone]

LAB is *the* premier manufacturer of pins in America, and their site lists the Schlage top pin sizes as .165, .200, and .235

https://www.labpins.com/locksmiths/p/la ... lage-pins/


*note, this all depends if you are using the .003 or .005 increment systems. you can get pin kits that are all .003 and some that increment pin sizes in .005.

[piezomot]

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[piezomot]

LAB is *the* premier manufacturer of pins in America, and their site lists the Schlage top pin sizes as .165, .200, and .235

https://www.labpins.com/locksmiths/p/la ... lage-pins/


*note, this all depends if you are using the .003 or .005 increment systems. you can get pin kits that are all .003 and some that increment pin sizes in .005.

Thank you for your reply! I am going to use this procedure to rekey my Schlage Level lock:
https://youtu.be/V9qzjHIE6ls

I have such questions:
1) How can I remove the cylinder if I do not have the original key for this lock mechanism?
https://youtu.be/V9qzjHIE6ls?t=719

2) Do I need the top pins? It looks like none of these are used in this rekeying procedure in that video.

Thank you.

[FranklyFlawless]

1) How can I remove the cylinder if I do not have the original key for this lock mechanism?

You typically use a Phillips #1 screwdriver to detach the lock from the back of the doorframe, then you can use your hands to manually remove it. From there you can separate the various components, then use the plug follower as shown in the video.

2) Do I need the top pins?

You do if you want any meaningful security, along with the springs, as they prevent the cylinder from turning unless the key pins are aligned to the shear line.

[Squelchtone]

2) Do I need the top pins?

You do if you want any meaningful security, along with the springs, as they prevent the cylinder from turning unless the key pins are aligned to the shear line.

I thought he meant this at first as well, but I think he means does he have to actually buy top pins as the rekeying videos all trap the pins with a plug follower and the only thing changed out is the key pins to match the new key. Honestly OP, you can just get the new key pins, hell, I'll mail you the key pins you need for free.

Piezomot, send me a Private Message with shipping address, but then I'll know the key cuts to your front door, so maybe have me send it to a friend's or relative's house.

Squelchtone

[Squelchtone]

1) How can I remove the cylinder if I do not have the original key for this lock mechanism?

You'll need to get something to shim the plug from the back, some people have taken apart those Sensormatic anti theft tags they stick on products at the store and they take out the thin strip of aluminum to use as a shim. the tricky part is lifting the key pins inside from the back to the front in order to create the shearline between the key pins and top pins for the shim to slip into. You'll need a blank SC1 key to help, and a wooden dowel to act as a plug follower so the top pins and springs dont go shooting everywhere when you remove the plug.

or again, per my last post, I send you the pins and I'll throw in a shim.

Let me know if you have one of these around the house:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5thFHLSAT0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm6zHnpnaI4




=)
Squelchtone

[piezomot]

1) How can I remove the cylinder if I do not have the original key for this lock mechanism?

You'll need to get something to shim the plug from the back, some people have taken apart those Sensormatic anti theft tags they stick on products at the store and they take out the thin strip of aluminum to use as a shim. the tricky part is lifting the key pins inside from the back to the front in order to create the shearline between the key pins and top pins for the shim to slip into. You'll need a blank SC1 key to help, and a wooden dowel to act as a plug follower so the top pins and springs dont go shooting everywhere when you remove the plug.

or again, per my last post, I send you the pins and I'll throw in a shim.

Let me know if you have one of these around the house:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5thFHLSAT0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm6zHnpnaI4




=)
Squelchtone

Thank you for your reply!

To rebuild my Level lock like it is shown in this video: https://youtu.be/V9qzjHIE6ls?list=PL7XF ... ImTCou2Tje

I will need these pins:
2B pin = .195in QTY 2
3B pin = .210in QTY 1
7B pin = .270in QTY 2
1T pin = .237in QTY 3
3T pin = .165in QTY 2

Now I know how to rotate the lock core without the original key but having the SC1 blank key and the shim.

The question remains - do I need to order the top pins or not?