SFIC with a Schlage C keyway?

[Offroad designer]

FYI, http://www.edmsolutions.ca

[billdeserthills]

Very cool,
When will the company come out with a 'value package',
combining a pin kit with a rekeying tool & some cores?

[Raymond]

ITS ABOUT TIME

Presuming the original Schlage spacing,

How many depths? (8?) MAC?

What are the pin diameter and pin lengths?

Are they capped the same as Best or Falcon?

What is the control key calculation formula?

[jeffmoss26]

wow, had to make sure it wasn't april fools
the website says .108 diameter pins but different lengths

[Offroad designer]

Very cool,
When will the company come out with a 'value package',
combining a pin kit with a rekeying tool & some cores?

It is best if you inquire directly with them for more information.

[billdeserthills]

Very cool,
When will the company come out with a 'value package',
combining a pin kit with a rekeying tool & some cores?

It is best if you inquire directly with them for more information.

Thanks, I don't like to be in a hurry for new tech

[Squelchtone]

$98 for 1 pinned up core with 3 keys feels pricy

[Joe Momma]

$98 for 1 pinned up core with 3 keys feels pricy

That's taking in to account the current economics these days, everything costs twice as much as it did less than 4 years ago....

[GWiens2001]

$98 for 1 pinned up core with 3 keys feels pricy

I think it is more an issue of Economics of Scale. The more of an item you produce, the lower the cost per unit to produce. As these have very limited usage, they will have very limited sales. That means that the cost of tooling and production needs to be born by fewer units sold.

That said, I do agree that it is pricy. I'd also want to know that the depth and spacing is the same as standard Schlage large pin cores. I know someone here said the pins are thinner. If the cut depths and spacing do not match the normal SC1 cores, then it would be useless for compatability with your other locks since you would still need another key separate from the rest of your remaining locks.

Since SFIC cores have a plug diameter (for the operating core) of .4275" and Schlage normal pin cylinders are .500", there is a problem somewhere.

The shallowest Schlage cut (a "0" cut) for Schlage is .335", leaving .0925" for a "0" pin depth to still fit within the confines of the SFIC plug diameter of .4275". That is way too thin, not even taking into consideration that most, if not all of that length, would be taken up with the pin taper at the tip. A pin that thin would definitely flip its' side or partly slip between the plug/control lug shear line. And that is not taking into consideration that the full, uncut, height of the SC1 blank is .343".

Can it be done? Yeah, I guess it is possible. Would it be reliable with a 0 cut? I wouldn't chance it. Even a 1 cut would be iffy. There is a good reason that Frank Best made the key blank height shorter for his Universal Lock. (Later to be termed SFIC by Schlage Lock Company).

I could be wrong. But I would really like to see the cut specifications for that lock.

Gordon

[Offroad designer]

Very cool,
When will the company come out with a 'value package',
combining a pin kit with a rekeying tool & some cores?

They've updated their website since the discussion started. FYI

[billdeserthills]

Too rich for my small business



8C04 assembly Jig
8C04 assembly Jig
Regular price$75.00 USD
8C04 Pinning Kit
8C04 Pinning Kit
Regular priceFrom $300.00 USD
8C04-SFIC
8C04-SFIC
Regular priceFrom $22.00 USD

[GWiens2001]

The assembly jig is included in the $300 pinning kit. Only the SFIC cores are not included. They are NOT standard Schlage pins.

I just ordered the pinning kit (because it is supposed to include all related tools needed for assembly of the SFIC cores) and three uncombinated cores. (Two for me, one for another member who recently bought a house, which I will pin up and send to him in a padlock).EDIT - to be clear, the cores are SEPARATE from the pinning kit. Will continue this thread when the items arrive and can give you more in-depth information as to required information for use of the tools, pinning requirements/restrictions and any other miscellanious infomation I discover.

I did see that they are currently available in Schlage C, E and F sections, with 8 other keyways "currently unavailable", which does include three Everest sections. Those sections are G, H, J, K, L, C123, C125 and C145). These are all 6-pin Schlage keyways, and the SFIC cores are made for any standard housings which accept 7 pin SFIC cores.

The cost of the uncombinated (empty/un-pinned) cores is $22 USD. If you want to buy cores already combinated/keyed, the cost of each core with 3 keys is $99 USD. That is two change keys and one control key.

Gordon

[billdeserthills]

Those cores must be pretty hard to key if they charge almost $80 to do it...

[GWiens2001]

Those cores must be pretty hard to key if they charge almost $80 to do it...

Their videos make it look pretty darn easy. I was astonished at what they wanted to pin them up. I suspect it is because they just want to sell them, not service them.

Oh, and reading closer, it seems that only the key pins are non-standard. Will tell you more when I get the stuff.

Gordon

[RedStagKiller]

I bet you could get just the cores and make it work with a standard A-2 kit unless there is something that I am missing. You might have to file on some pins a little but if it was just 1 or 2 cores not a big deal. I also have a Dorma SKC pinning kit here that has different length pins but they are all a .108 diameter. Capping you might just have to use a standard capping block and just reset the core to set each cap one by one.