Henderson 5 LEVER

by **acl** » 17 Dec 2004 19:14

Cant beleive in all these years ive nver seen this little bugger before.Henderson 5 lever dead ,had hardplates which indicated bs,but no kite mark on faceplate when i (finally ) got it open.Anyone tell me its major difference to a normal bs?

by **pinky** » 17 Dec 2004 19:20

ah
often mistaken for the old black legge due to the oval cut out, instead of legges arch.
differs due to bolt and lever pack being one complete unit, a fixed pack and bolt, stump is attached to case and not to bolt, and most were plastic in early models.

bloody horrible bit of kit

by **acl** » 17 Dec 2004 19:33

Horrible bit of kit aint the word Pinky,i knew it wasnt the legge but i didnt know what it was ,your gonna hate this but after a while i got the rotary out, and even being spot on i couldnt suss it out for a while.Youve got to put this one on your id kit
Andy

by **pinky** » 17 Dec 2004 19:47

the reason its mistaken for legge, they shine torch in see the arch top, without checking bottom of keyway.

its a nasty bit of work, i once came to grief on it on right, if you drill and catch the plastic stump, it bends all over, bugger to open now.

caught many a good locky out, but lock god al i imagine averages 1 min for it, ive seen him pick bs in under a minute.

i thought it was on it, if not it will be on update.

by **acl** » 17 Dec 2004 19:58

Pinky i wasnt mistaken as to what it was ,i didnt have a bloody clue what it was! I have no doubt mr m picked it it minutes but i was getting nowhere and thought the drill was the best bet(shit that drill words put me down in a few peoples estimations now eh?!)
I wouldnt want to rekey one of these buggers either would you?

by **pinky** » 17 Dec 2004 20:03

we have all drilled the bugger and all come to grief, though now you know the lock wont be a problem again.
the model with plastic stump, use a pencil blow torch and melt stump, open, though ive never tried it.

as to a rekey , no i really wouldnt want to, though you can get the packs, and i have heard tails on warrants of carrying spare packs with filed gates, you know the thing , 1 key fits all.

fortunately in last 3 years ive only come up against 4 of them, 1 in northampton and 3 in sheffield.

by **acl** » 17 Dec 2004 20:15

That was the 1st in 18yrs.They actually do lever packs for those?

by **pinky** » 17 Dec 2004 20:16

well whole bolt and lever pack units, yup used to , some may still stock them.

carry one made up for 1 key fits all, for nasty warrants.

by **acl** » 17 Dec 2004 20:25

Surely its cheaper to buy the whole lock?Why is it these cheap shitty locks are the ones that give us most grief?114 great lock easy to open.henderson 5 lever piece of shite ,an absolute mare?!

by **captainsawdust** » 17 Dec 2004 20:28

i had a job with a era 3 lever ! stupid keyway but got the bugger opened in the end with the 2 lever jiggler keys

by **acl** » 17 Dec 2004 20:37

Just to go off subject for a sec. Pinkys managed to wangle us a thread where we all put our names and numbers up and no buggers using it ! I promise you if youre up and i have a job in your area ill use you .Toomush sorry for today your nos in the phone now!
Andy

by **captainsawdust** » 17 Dec 2004 20:40

Andy

Is 100% correct in what he is saying and he does phone you

Ian

by **acl** » 17 Dec 2004 21:06

Pinky,have you managed to pick one of these if so it mustve been with Chris CWP ?
Andy

by **pinky** » 18 Dec 2004 5:30

it sounds bad but ive never tried the curtain pick on them, picked 1 with wires , drilled 2 and got one with 3 lever jigglers.
i must give it a go, when i come across one again.

by Al » 18 Dec 2004 6:23

There is a raised vertical line at the top of the thrower if you look carefully. The keyway is slightly shorter than a Legge so a well made test key would alert you from the right.

Be very careful when taking the cap off, if you don't get it back right, the sprung retainer for the thrower can come out of place. It won't do this until you have relocked the door but then won't turn to zero.
Imagine you've picked it open great but then take it apart to half shoot for a quick exit, screwdriver in curtain to lock door no problem. Nightmare, the thrower will not zero and the door is locked. You can't walk away because the key won't go in - neither will your pick. Now you have to pick it again but just with loose wires. I recommend picking these closed they're not too bad. - This has happened to me twice and on the second occasion I was very careful when replacing the cap. A couple of my lads have suffered the same fate too.

When picking open you nudge the levers up and the bolt moves back several mm, then carefully adjust the lever position until it's open. You normally get less feel after the bolt has moved.

Not seen the plastic stump only metal but then, I've not taken one apart for a while.

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