Legge 5 lever

by **oldlock** » 23 Dec 2004 6:46

The Asec badged version of the black case used to be around GBP9 or so for a deadlock, thats around AUD$30 - postage will probably be around the same again - plus you might get caught for import duty.

My pricing info is going to be a bit out of date ...

Paul

by **skold** » 23 Dec 2004 6:48

$60..doesn't sound too bad...
Is it actually possible to open a legge black with wires or do i need one of those pin & cam's ?

by **oldlock** » 23 Dec 2004 6:51

Wires would be exceedingly hard (if possible), With a curtain pick - which you might be able to make (maybe) it can be done but it depends on the pattern of the key and the skill of the user, or if you want to be sure then use a pin & cam.

Paul

by **skold** » 23 Dec 2004 6:52

ok, i might try and make either pin and came or a curtain pick, or if i have to but one i will.

anyone got pics of a curtain pick?

by **mbell** » 23 Dec 2004 7:03

Legge Yellow and Legge Black for those who are unsure exactly what we-re talking about:
http://www.lock-picking.org/lp101/legge.jpg

by **pinky** » 23 Dec 2004 7:39

the legge badged as assec in the uk is currently Â£7.65 and Â£11.00 plus 17.5% vat , so you wasnt far out oldlock, not too out of date.

to buy the same lock badged as a legge is alot dearer.

by **pinky** » 23 Dec 2004 7:43

of the curtain picks , the chris belcher pick to date is the only one that has a 100% success rate picking the bs legge and assec locks, he uses very good acid eroded wires that do the job and get under those low sliders and spacers in the legge.
when practiced its a 1 minute opening only with a curtain pick.

the pin and cam is superb for the legge , but to be honest i can pick it quicker.

if making one , then the crucial parts are the curtain turner and the wire shape to beat the low levers, once achieved its a simple lock to defeat.

you can defeat the old yellow legge with just 2 wires , the bs takes a different approach, i say they are one of the easiest locks to defeat , yellow or black bs , none are difficult when practiced, it comes down to practice.

by **toomush2drink** » 23 Dec 2004 9:08

Im impressed skold as not many outside of the uk see many lever locks ,or mortice as we call them over here, let alone attempt to pick them. Keep it up and im sure we could get some packages together between us to get these wonderful creations around the world.

by **skold** » 23 Dec 2004 16:34

excelent, i thought i'd never see one in Australia, it was just an off chance that my mums friend had one

by **skold** » 23 Dec 2004 16:55

ok i was looking at them pictures of the black and yellow and i was wondering if someone can point out the curtain? is it up against the bolt, behind the levers?

if so can some one take a pic so i know what they look like.

turning the curtain? i guess thats what you do before you can pick it...?

by **skold** » 23 Dec 2004 17:11

here's some similar wires to what i used..they are about 1.5 mm thick.
they look rusty but they are shiny and smooth..camera angle and light affected this.

by **EvoRed** » 23 Dec 2004 17:35

The curtain is the thing, probably silver, that will be preventing you from sticking your wires straight in and accessing the levers. It's the thing that shields the levers until you turn it, and throws the bolt on most mortice locks.

by **pinky** » 23 Dec 2004 17:41

the curtain is the silver barrell in the keyway, that turns with the key, or you will have turned it to get the lever lifting wire into the keyway,

the talon is the V cut out in the bolt that the curtain picks up to draw the bolt back when turned.

attached is a photo of the new chubb 7 lever ( e series levers) clearly shows the silver curtain and the talon.

by **skold** » 23 Dec 2004 18:14

i see..thanks for the help on that one, so its no great drama turning that then?

by **pinky** » 23 Dec 2004 18:28

nope turning it is the easy bit , on a legge the old yellow non bs lock doesnt have any anti picks and is a doddle, the black bs lock has anti picks , and is alot harder but still an easy pick with the right tool.

the new yellow legge is now the same as the black bs legge, except it has no hard plate , it does now have 5 slider levers all with anti picks , and a bs bolt.

when practiced its an easy pick , but im impressed that someone with little experience of these locks has cracked a lever lock of 5 levers with a curtain, and its a feat to be proud of and build on, well done geezer.

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