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California Picking-Laws/License?

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California Picking-Laws/License?

Postby SpankyMcGuire » 29 Dec 2004 7:51

(I guess this thread would be intended only for those familiar with California law.)

Hello all. My name is Daniel. I am 19 years old and I'm interested in learning to pick locks. I'm not pursuing it based on an malicious intentions, I am simply interested in the craft.

I spoke with a locksmith employee and talked to him about California laws. He mentioned to me that it is illegal to possess any sort of lock picking tool in California if you don't have a license. Is that true? This bummed me out since I saw a really nice set I wanted to buy online.

He told me I could easily get the license I needed from the government and it wouldn't cost much. So, do any of you know how I would obtain this license in the state of California? I do not want to run a locksmithing business or make any money.... the only reason I want the license is so that I can own locksmithing tools and can practice with them at home.

I just want to be able to sit at home and learn how to pick locks without being arrested and sodomized in prison.


Can anyone help me out? Thank you very, very much. My email is SpankyMcGuire@hotmail.com

-Daniel
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Postby Wesson357 » 29 Dec 2004 11:48

Check out the law thread in the FAQ section:

viewtopic.php?t=2850
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Postby Romstar » 29 Dec 2004 13:09

California is a screwy place.

In New York, carrying a concealed handgun is a felony offence. In California, it is a misdemeanor. Or at least it was the last time I checked.

Lady justice has an annoying habit of varying from time to time, and place to place.

I do remember that California law is a bit more strict that other states where lock picks are concerned. The fun part is that there are also municiple laws depending on what county you are in as well. The requirements in LA are different from those in SF. Give a phone call to a decent lawyer, and they will most likely be able to tell you the requirements.

Good luck,
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Postby Eagle » 29 Dec 2004 16:25

I'm from CA too. I wonder if just owning them and never taking them out of the house can get you in trouble. Romstar said to contact a lawyer. Would it be a bad idea to contact the local police and ask them what the law is?

Also, where do can you get a licence from the government? What is the contact?
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Postby stick » 29 Dec 2004 20:30

In the floated law thread, there's a copy of the California legal code. According to that, it's illegal to carry picks or any other burglary tool with felonious attempt, but other than that, it's okay. Not sure if it's outdated or not, and seeing as how I'm in California too, I should probably go check.
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Postby Lockpick Dan » 29 Dec 2004 20:55

I wouldn't ask the police, because they usually won't know and will tell you they're illegal no matter what just to be safe. Most of the time they simply won't know.
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Postby Eagle » 29 Dec 2004 22:17

Then if the cops are uncertain, will it cost to ask a lawyer? Can I just call a lawyer and ask, just like that? Or would I need to make an appointment (I've never worked with a lawyer before).
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Postby Mr Ules » 30 Dec 2004 13:07

The cops are certain, usually, if they paid attention to what they were taught. They will tell you it's illegal not to be sure, but to prevent you from trying to buy picks.
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Postby Romstar » 30 Dec 2004 15:41

Well, I've been running around looking for this, and so far as I can tell, California Penal Code s.466 was ammended in 2002.

The amendments, as best as I can tell expanded the list of "tools" and "premesis" that are covered under the code.

The requirement for "felonious intent" is still very much a major component. Further, the requirement absolves anyone who uses the tools or techniques under the supervision of, or at the direct request of any person legally entitled to open a vehicle or premesis.

Again, in California, as in many other states and provinces, posession of "burglery tools" is a misdemeanor offence. Meaning that while the crimes comitted with the tools may be a felony, the tools themselves are not. This is what is often referred to as an ancillary charge. Commonly used by the prosecution as a bargining chip.

Bear this in mind however. Conviction of posession of "burglery tools" at any point means that future possession of the same, even in lawful circumstances will most likely result in the arrest of the person, and seizure of the tools purely on the strength of a prior conviction.

So...

Under California state law posession of the tools is NOT a crime of any sort. Use of the tools in the comission of a felony IS a misdemeanor offence.

Look at this link, it will provide information on the penal code.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cacodes/pen/466-469.html

Now, for anyone interested in locksmithing as a profession, they should examine this information at the following link.

http://www.leedobbs.com/law/Lawbp.html

That information should do a lot to help any of our members in California who wish to engage in professional operations.

Good luck,
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