keyless combo lock for doors

[Chucklz]

All of the Simplex line (that Im aware of) allow for you to use a "half" push in the combination- usually as the last press on the lock. This is their "high security" feature, that the generally do not advertise. When you consider that most peole dont even change the default combination.... I expect that this feature is used only rarely.

I only see the Kaba/Ilco/Unican/Simplex style locks here in the States. But, these style locks.... lets say your combination is C 243 . You can really enter C342 and the lock opens? If so, is this lock rather easily manipulated... just apply the right force, and find the binding... well I wont say too much.

[Peaky]

Yes thats the way to do it. Thats why they are only used with another lock as well, so it can be on the code during the day and on both locks during the night. 234 is left on so many locks its amazing, i think people darent change the factory code.

[kodierer]

Silent, I would love to see the inards of these interesting locks. I seen the site that was selling them, and they were selling them for $100 each, and I had never seen locks like these before except on a cartoon once. Are these similar to punch card locks. I am not sure of their name, but they are a card with holes in them, and you insert them into a slot, and push a button, and they unlock the door

[HeadHunterCEO]

The model shown isnt the ilco simplex they work differently it is as someone said a lockey or borg ,aldridge and euro also do there own and probably ahost of others.
Ilco do a few different ranges,7000 series,3000,2000 and 1000.
Id do a proper write up myself but i cant suss out how to get pics up so maybe someone else could do one including bypass techniques etc(lazy tosser i hear you cry)
Regards Andy

can be bypassed by drilling an 1/8 of an inch hole in the right place.

unfortunately once you do it is very difficult to repair the hole in the face of the lock

[PickPick]

I've seen it repaired with a pop rivet, filed flush and painted over afterwards.

[acl]

[quote="Peaky"]
234 is left on so many locks its amazing, i think people darent change the factory code.[/quote
It think were confusing the two types here .The lock shown at the start of the thread do come with a combination set,which is printed on a card, but its not a common factory setting. The Kaba /ilco come with the factory setting of 2and4 pressed together and3.
Regarding the half pressed number, you learn something new every day!
In nearly 20 yrs ive never heard of this.
Andy

[oldlock]

The versions of these that can have 2 buttons pushed at the same time in the codes cost a fair bit more. These can cost up to £300 retail over here for the good ones but as mentioned before can be bought a lot cheaper. Im fitting some of these in a couple of weeks for a church. They are a great way of securing a door in high use areas where you just need to keep chancers out and dont want the expense of cutting loads of keys and then changing the locks if one falls into the wrong hands.

If you fit those to high use doors expect complaints - unless you go for simply L1000's etc they will simply not stand the traffic as to put is bluntly they are crap.

Paul

[pinky]

agreed for high use only the 1000 series stand test of time, i buy simplex and kaba ilco ( both same ) 1000 series code locks off of ebay brand new for approx £60, 7000 series for £40 amd 900 series for £30. its just catching ebay at right time.

[Peaky]

acl yes i am on the same wave length as you but didnt want to post to much info here as i didnt want to get in trouble and i should have said i was talking about 2 differant locks in the post, but yes i know this thread was flitting between the 2 differant types and i know myself which is which, the crappy ones that the thread was started with come with a factory set code differant to the next one and the other sort come with...... well we all know the score.
I am sorry if i mis-lead anyone, the binding trick only works with the type that was pictured not the ones where you can press 2 buttons at the same time, these have a brilliantly designed mechinisim inside that you will find is a standard throughout most of those type of locks.
I have seen quite a few that have had pop rivets stuck back in after drilling, the problem is though that after fileing flush they can somtimes fall out if the door is banged, a threaded hole with a grubscrew in then filed down is better especially if thread loc is used.

[toomush2drink]

Why drill to bypass ? there is another way for a few of these locks and its non destructive.
Oldlock the ones im fitting are not for highuse areas and will have hold backs as they wont be in use all the time. As ive told the client you get what you pay for but they wanted cheap over the better ones so there you go.

[Peaky]

There is a way to by pass the cheap ones that are pictured above,

The ones that we were meaning to drill are the ones which you can have a code which includes 2 or more buttons pressed at the same time!

Are you saying there is a bypass method for these as well?

If so please email it to me.

[Peaky]

Ok, yes there is a way to bypass both types.
Sorry.

[silent]

Chucklz, on mine you cant push the buttons half way. Its a 5 button simplex.

[Buggy]

The half button push on the Simplex lock only works if you do it at the same time you turn the handle. It isn't something that Kaba Access advertises as a feature, it's more or less just a glitch in the Combination Chamber design.

[ufd538]

I have not seen half pushes either....I love how many simplexes I come across that still have the factory code....the look on people's faces when you walk up and open the door....of course only when I am working.

The 'how'd you know our code' look is priceless.