locks that cant be picked

[TonyM239]

Are there any locks that cant be picked? If so can you give some names? Thanks

[Teus]

every lock can be picked, unless it's really rare. if enough people spend time finding a way to pick it, it will get picked

abus released a lock a while ago, called the Granit lock labeled 'unpickable'. some germans made a tool so you could pick it. abus countered it with a newer version so the tool wasn't working anymore. a new tool was made to pick it, and Abus gave up

[raimundo]

both ABloy and Medeco make some very good locks. both use a sidebar mechanism, be very suspicious of anyone who tells you that they pick these locks, and if they are willing to demonstrate, you should supply the lock and do not let them have it alone for half an hour before the demonstration. There are legends around about people picking these locks, but if anyone on LP101 found a reliable method of picking them, he would either be bragging and spreading the word, or he would simply drop out of the forum and go stealth about it.

[oldlock]

the only cylinder lock I am aware of that cannot be done is Evva MCS, almost everything else (that is mass produced) can be done with the right (highly restricted) tools.

Paul

[_Ethereal_]

In theory, every lock can be picked - otherwise how would the key/combonation open it

[PickPick]

Depends on how you define picking. For me, it's applying a binding force to the lock mechanism and then testing and manipulating individual components. Some manufacturers make this impossible by locking the components in place before their position is checked. To illustrate this, try to imagine a special lever lock, where you first turn the key to raise all levers to their specific height, then a certain mechanism locks these levers together and only then will the bolt move in and contact the levers.
But of course picking isn't the only weapon in our arsenal, there's impressioning and optical decoding and a whole lot more.

[meat-bix]

I could forsee a lock so complex that it is not practically pickable.

And human has only ten fingers and ten toes.
There are obvious limitations.

But there is no need for any company to make a lock so complex. It is more practical to make unbreakable locks...

[Wolf2486]

If a key can open that lock, then that key can be duplicated in some way, thus you would open the lock with something other than the actual key- that is how I define picking.

[catzmeow]

I was taught that with enough time and talent, any lock can be defeated.

[hijack]

Might be a good place to ask about these though.

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[catzmeow]

[quote="catzmeow"]I was taught that with enough time and talent, any lock can be defeated.

[hijack]

Might be a good place to ask about these though.

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Sorry, I suck at BBcode. Different from other sites I use.

[Romstar]

I think I have those Rielda locks figured out, but I would like to try it on a real one before I say I can pick it.

Beware of these things, they could probably malfunction.

Romstar

[jayson44444]

theres a man at our supplier who i have seen pick a medco lock. My boss give him a lori90 to try and so far he has had no luck.

[raimundo]

by "seen pick medeco," do you mean you watched for an hour or that he somehow did it an made it look quick. Who's medeco was it, i could remove the sidebar and pick a medeco, i believe, though I haven't resorted to this. When someone picks a medeco, its more convincing if the lock is not his practice piece. Personally i have never seen it done, but in fact, i have seldom seen it tried, and never by anyone who actually understood the lock. The most convincing part of watching anyone pick this lock would be seeing the tools he uses, if the tools are not something different and obviously specials, i would find the demonstration hard to believe. The tools should address the measurement of the tension pressure, and the rotation of the chiseltip pins.

[_Ethereal_]

you should of asked him to pull out the cylinder to see if the sidebar is there, maybe it was a medeco keymark? oh well, maybe he did pick it, we shall never know

[jayson44444]

maybe i should challenge him on this. i didnt even think about the sidebar.you got me wondering now. i'll ask him next time im there.