Are lever locks taboo?

by **Itry** » 23 Jan 2005 21:14

Hi.
I am a newbie, but I have searched the site, and opening morticed lever locks dont get much of a mention it all seems to be pins pins pins, Are they too dificult or something:?: or have I missed the relivent posts on picking them.

by **skold** » 23 Jan 2005 21:16

you have missed the posts..look in the european locks section.

oh yeah i almost for got

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by **Mr Ules** » 24 Jan 2005 0:07

Levers, from what I've learned, are crap. And yes, pins are the most secure. From dimpled, to your standard pin tumbler. They are the hardest to pick. That's probably why everyone spends most their time practising to pick them.

by **MrB** » 24 Jan 2005 0:53

Mr Ules wrote:Levers, from what I've learned, are crap. And yes, pins are the most secure. From dimpled, to your standard pin tumbler. They are the hardest to pick. That's probably why everyone spends most their time practising to pick them.

There's no emoticon for being speechless, or I'd use it several times over. Speechless...absolutely speechless... :roll:

by **WhiteHat** » 24 Jan 2005 1:10

it's like saying pin tumblers are all very low security beecause you've only ever dealt with kwikset locks.

by **skold** » 24 Jan 2005 2:24

Mr Ules wrote:Levers, from what I've learned, are crap. And yes, pins are the most secure. From dimpled, to your standard pin tumbler. They are the hardest to pick. That's probably why everyone spends most their time practising to pick them.

if i could kick your ass through the net, i would...many, many, many times over.

I'd like to see you try and pick a chubb 3G107 or even a 3 lever legge.

The ony reason most people spend time practicing with pin tumblers is because lever locks are rare outside of europe, it is more economical to use pin tumblers, easy keying and master keying etc.

And NO pins are by far not secure.

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by **pinky** » 24 Jan 2005 11:07

ive covered alot on lever locks to date.
mr ules had made a very ill informed comment on lever locks, far from being crap, the level of security a bs3621 lever lock offers is far superior to almost all cylinder locks.
1 ) a bs3621 lever lock is harder to drill than a cylinder
2 ) a bs 3621 lever lock is not bypassable
3 ) a bs 3621 lever lock is harder to pick than a cylinder lock.

i think this guy is either on a wind up or he hasnt got the slightest idea on what he is talking about with regards to lever locks, if they are crap then i would like him to prove it by opening a selection of bs3621 locks in front of me, or keep ill informed comments to himself, basicaly walk the walk or shut up.

dimple locks are more difficult than a standard cylinder, but still do not offer the level of security offered by a good bs lock.

by **toomush2drink** » 24 Jan 2005 11:41

Lever locks have the edge big time. First you have to work out what it is through a small keyhole which isnt as easy as it sounds as they age and wear and can lose their case colour and confuse you more. A cylinder lock on the other hand normally has the name written on the front !! Pick guns dont work so no quick fixes either. Please dont think lever locks are useless and cylinders are better as it just shows your level of knowledge on them. Its like saying medeco are easy.

by **pinky** » 24 Jan 2005 11:51

too answer the original question, before being shocked by that unknowing illinformed post.

basic lever lock picking methods are covered in this forum, as well as a few bs lever lock methods and curtain wheel picking. though in depth picking and weakness areas are only covered in the advanced section, but plenty do exist in this forum , just go to my posts and search them out, they are plentyfull.

they are much harder to pick, unless you have the decoder tools, then it simplifys the process.

by **quicklocks** » 24 Jan 2005 12:03

by **pinky** » 24 Jan 2005 12:07

the comment from what i learned their crap, well he obviously didnt learn much, and i doubt he has ever seen a bs lever lock , let alone picked one, maybe il export bs3621 locks to his part of canada all 110 and 3G107 locks and say there you go, pick these babies.

i think he may be refering to lever locks he has seen , but i cannot think what these are.

by **mbell** » 24 Jan 2005 12:15

I can't believe I just read that. We'll be seeing more and more pin tumbler mechanisms on safes and vaults from now on then?

Maybe there's been some confusion between lever and warded mechanisms?

by **quicklocks** » 24 Jan 2005 12:38

by **salzi684** » 24 Jan 2005 15:41

It is just a guess but I would assume that Mr. Ules might have been thinking of warded locks when he wrote that post.

by **Buggs41** » 24 Jan 2005 17:49

It is just a guess but I would assume that Mr. Ules might have been thinking of warded locks when he wrote that post.

I was thinking the same thing when I read that.

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