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by Orange_Crusader » 16 Feb 2005 21:45
Well, to me it sounds like a belt buckle, but I'm not sure, since I don't know the 'cross the pond (i.e Aussie and British) lingo. Think about it, a belt buckle keeps your belt on setting, sounds like it could be a belt keeper to me.
About the handcuff stories. I was an expert of getting out of them when I was little (more or less double joined knuckles, very good co-ordination behind my back, etc. I actually planned to take a pair (metal, of course, have someone weld shut the small release hole, and put a cover (that slows down picking, maybe heavily spring loaded, and thin [but strong] to bend or cause a lot of friction and make picking a pain) on the keyhole, and use them as "real" cuffs. It would be cool, but it's a bit foolish. All the same, I'd still like to try it. 
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by digital_blue » 16 Feb 2005 22:20
As a magician, I played around with a gag routine where I did a repeated simultaneous escape from handcuffs, thumbcuffs, and a chinese finger trap. It was a bit of work to get in and out of all three, but with practice it can be done in about 4 seconds each way. I never took it any further, however, because for the routine I had in mind I would have needed to do it in 2 or less.
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by VAX » 18 Feb 2005 6:18
Belt keepers are used to attach a policemans duty belt to his regular belt.
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by digital_blue » 18 Feb 2005 13:22
Ohhhhh! Thank you VAX. That make a lot of sense.  And now I can also see why one might want a handcuff key more accessible.
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by minkis18 » 18 Feb 2005 17:13
woot! i now know the answer!
im never gonne need one of those then cuz i aint no cop!
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by warmachine » 29 Jul 2008 23:23
The keeper is the loop on some belts that retains the flappy end of your belt that sticks out of the buckle.
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by MacGyver101 » 30 Jul 2008 2:25
warmachine wrote:The keeper is the loop on some belts that retains the flappy end of your belt that sticks out of the buckle.
No: not in the context in which it was being discussed in this thread (3.5 years ago, I might add).
For those who are curious, police officers typically have a "duty belt" (that their gear is attached to) that's worn over top of their regular trouser belt. "Belt keepers" are little snap-on straps that wrap around the two belts and keep them together (preventing the duty belt from sliding around when you're running, drawing a firearm, etc.).
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by Scott_93 » 4 Aug 2008 9:28
I always keep a standard handcuff key on my keyring for "emergencies" or releasing any victims of stag night pranks I might come accross. On my work experience at a locksmiths I asked if he had anybody come into the shop in handcuffs and apparently about 2 months before a man came in wearing (overtightened) Smith&Wesson handcuffs, they started laughing when he told them that he had been cuffed to the kitchen sink all night. They soon stopped laughing when they saw his hand was turning blue!
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by unjust » 5 Aug 2008 10:43
so i do contract security work on occasion. filed under skills i don't want to have to use, is applying bracelets. i've done (outside of training) one non-compliant restraint, and one compliant one.
the compliant one was a riot. ~60 year old biker dude, leather vest, machine shed over his tool (well past beer belly), balding with a grey pony tail, whole nine yards, and drunk and belligerent. he was starting to make the guy chating with him nervous, (i was wrangling part of his party a few feet away) so our guy asked if it'd be ok to cuff him for his own protection as well as ours. he -immediately- said " oh yeah, sure" turns around arms straight out, brought slowly to the top of his head. i walk over, bring one arm down, cuff, move other arm down, add second pair to fit him and cuff, size, and double lock, and he's immediately apologetic, calm and all around a REALLY nice guy, apologizing for being rude even.
it would seem a) that he'd done that before, and b) that done that enough that he'd learned a lesson well enough that muscle memory of being in that position calmed him down.
we ended up releasing him after we got some things sorted about him not riding his bike home drunk.
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