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by BigFishOnly » 1 Mar 2005 15:35
Hello everyone,
New here and to lockpicking, so pardon my ignorance...
Anyone has picked one of these before?
Can it be done (I guess so), and are there any gotchas? What would be the best tool for picking one of these?
Many thanks,
BFO
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by bowleya » 1 Mar 2005 17:49
Hi BFO
This looks like a 5 pin europrofile, Best methods for picking are probably a electric pin gun. If the lock is of a decent standard it may have anti-pick pins so you may need to pick a single pin at a time.
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by toomush2drink » 1 Mar 2005 17:53
You can see the spool bottom pins and serrated top pins in the last 2 stacks. The interesting thing about this lock is the anti drill protection (or i think it is) in the form of the blue bars.
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by Rockford » 1 Mar 2005 18:09
Yep, the blue bars indicate "hardened steel pins with steel balls as protection against drilling" - from a DOM spec sheet. RS5 indicates 5 anti-pick security features, guess what the RS6 model has ....
That is one nasty looking keyway.
Rockford.....
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by Kaellman » 1 Mar 2005 18:38
Looks nasty! Nasty good!
Are there any good pictures of the keyway? If the wards arnt to nast (which i doubt) u should be able to do it with normal shaped picks. A little thinner perhaps..
GL!
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by Chucklz » 1 Mar 2005 23:20
This lock could be a real pain if the two serrated/spool bittings are rather high, with a very low third pin. Best of luck!
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by Wolf2486 » 2 Mar 2005 22:15
 That is the keyway from hell, the kind that ends up breaking your poor little slimline picks.
Lock picking is an art, not a means of entry.
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by rohi » 15 Jun 2005 16:04
i'm in the middle of fitting a 300+ cilinderplan in a building, and had
a go at one of these. i can tell u it's an beeping ordeal trying to get
a pick in there. i even filed some picks down to less than 0.35 mm
and still had little success. but then again, i think that is why they
made them so narrow
just keep trying i guess 
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by capt.dunc » 16 Jun 2005 7:33
i notice that it doesn't list snaping in it's "violent attack protection" and a bump key would also be an option. it looks like the anti drill bars in the body don't reach all the way down, could you drill below these and remove the springs with a small hook causing the key and driver pins to drop into the base?
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by raker » 16 Jun 2005 7:48
I think basically what people are saying here is "yes" it can be picked. But if you are new to picking, please start on something a little less difficult to boost your confidence and your feel for picking. A lock like this needs "working up to" If you jump in at the deep end you are likely to give up before you have even started.
Picking is hard, but if it was easy I wouldn't enjoy it 
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by raimundo » 17 Jun 2005 9:05
What I see in the picture is that the last two pins are the only ones with difficult/security pins. apparently, the drivers are serrated, and the pins that engage the key are spool or mushroom. serrated pins are not a huge problem, in fact you could probably count the serrations in the photo, and keep that number in mind as you push them up. they will hang up slightly and you push them past that point. the real trouble is if you go too far and engage that mushroom feature, but you would have to pass the shear lline to do that, On a job, this would be a difficult lock, but if you have it at home for a practice lock, I think you would soon learn to bypass its tricks.
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