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Antique Iron Strong Box from 1800s

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Antique Iron Strong Box from 1800s

Postby davhamilton » 9 Mar 2005 20:19

Hi,
I recently purchased an iron strong box from around the late 1800s. It
had been in a crawl space under a building which was torn down. While
digging a foundation for the new building, they discovered the crawl space
and auctioned off the strong box without opening it. I want to get it open
without damaging the lock or strong box.

It has a lid that opens on the top, with a hand-wrought handle. On the
front of the box is a lock protector made out of nickel. When it is spun up
you can see the lock. The entire rest of the strong box has rust all over it,
but the inside of the lock appears to have been protected somewhat from
rust, as much as I can see. Forgive my lack of terminology, I am just
trying to describe the lock. I will also attach links to pictures.

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A few years ago I had learned to pick simple locks, but have not done that
in years and no longer have tools. What would I need to pick a lock like
this?

If you peer up in the lock with a flashlight, you can see the metal parts of
the lock, and they don't appear to be rusted at all. But they most likely
have not been operated in at least a century if not longer. I assume I
should spray WD-40 on the parts of the lock to make sure it is lubricated.
Is this correct?

The pin (I think that is what it is) which the key pivots on to turn and open
the lock makes it somewhat difficult (although not impossible) to get a coat
hanger up inside the lock, but I have no idea where to apply torque or
even what I am supposed to do in this style lock? I have read through the
MIT Guide to Lockpicking, and understand the general idea for modern
locks, but I don't know what style of lock this is that I am dealing with or
how it works.

I've cleared away the rust from the lid edges, and the hinges are brass
and have been cleaned up, so I assume I pick this lock and it should open,
but with a lot of elbow grease. I've already tried a large amount of force
with pipes to see if it was just rusted shut and not locked.

Thanks for reading and I appreciate any help you can give me.
Dave
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Postby HeadHunterCEO » 9 Mar 2005 21:37

Hey thats cool
looks like a wd40 ad

take it to a smith and have them open it for you
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Postby kodierer » 9 Mar 2005 21:42

Warded picks would be the picks. As far as lube goes don't forget graphite is the best lock lube. As rusted as that is though I don't even know that all the lube in the world could make that lock move freely. I would take it to the lockie.
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Postby davhamilton » 9 Mar 2005 21:45

I forgot to mention that the strong box weighs 255 pounds, which is 100 pounds more than me. I had a freight truck drop it off and helped me carry it in, but I certainly don't want to try to haul it to somebody. I also don't want a locksmith to come to my house, because I don't want them to know where I live in case there is something valuable inside. So I am hoping to pick it somehow.
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Postby HeadHunterCEO » 9 Mar 2005 22:15

if oyur only interesat is getting it open

drill a hole in it with a bit and cut a large square with a decent jig saw
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Postby davhamilton » 9 Mar 2005 22:35

Hi,

Thanks for your response, but I'd like to keep it intact, since it is from the 1800s and I've never owned anything so old before. I'd like to clean the strong box back up and use it for storage or valuables. And it makes a great conversation piece already. Any non-destructive ways of getting in would be greatly appreciated. I've just ordered the warded picks, hopefully I'll get them in a few days to try it out.

Thanks,
Dave
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Postby digital_blue » 9 Mar 2005 22:41

davhamilton wrote:I also don't want a locksmith to come to my house, because I don't want them to know where I live in case there is something valuable inside. So I am hoping to pick it somehow.


Wow! Now that's a pretty low opinion of the locksmith trade. Remember that these are people who are fully equiped in both tools and knowledge to make a great life in crime, yet choose to work for a living.

As for the box, do you think maybe you could post a larger picture? My wife is in the other room and can't quite make it out. :lol: Seriously though, there is a reasonable chance that you will get it open simply by going at it with a bent piece of coat hanger or something like it. I don't think it's gonna make any sense buying warded picks to go at this thing. I think if it were me, I'd try it myself with makeshift tools, and failing that, I'd call a locksmith. Or, I might be tempted to clean it up as best I can, and make it a conversation piece in the rec room. Leave it locked, in that case. It'll make for more lively conversation.

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Postby davhamilton » 9 Mar 2005 22:49

Hi,

I'm just a paranoid person, and have watched too many episodes of the show "It Takes a Thief". I'm sure that the majority of locksmiths are
highly honorable, but with my luck I'd find the one bad one out there. In
addition, I've already spent 1250 us dollars on this strong box, and don't
want to spend another few hundred paying somebody to open it if I can.
It is also part of the fun.

How would I go about it with a coat hanger? Do I have to move something
inside? I know it isn't like a modern lock where I push the little pieces to
line them up with the shear line.

Regarding the picture, I couldn't figure out how to change the size with this
posting tool. I'm used to HTML, and can control width and height that way,
but it said HTML was disabled and HTML wouldn't work in the previews. I
apologize for its size.

Thanks,
Dave
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Postby HeadHunterCEO » 9 Mar 2005 22:54

davhamilton wrote:Hi,

I'm just a paranoid person, and have watched too many episodes of the show "It Takes a Thief". I'm sure that the majority of locksmiths are
highly honorable, but with my luck I'd find the one bad one out there. In
addition, I've already spent 1250 us dollars on this strong box, and don't
want to spend another few hundred paying somebody to open it if I can.
It is also part of the fun.

How would I go about it with a coat hanger? Do I have to move something
inside? I know it isn't like a modern lock where I push the little pieces to
line them up with the shear line.

Regarding the picture, I couldn't figure out how to change the size with this
posting tool. I'm used to HTML, and can control width and height that way,
but it said HTML was disabled and HTML wouldn't work in the previews. I
apologize for its size.

Thanks,
Dave


too late dave
one of the resident geeks have already determined your location via your IP

We are coming hard with our jigsaws humming
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Postby digital_blue » 9 Mar 2005 22:58

Well, I would start by taking a piece of coat hanger and bending a 90
degree angle at the tip. Make the bent portion about the same length as
it is from the middle of the "post" inside the keyway, to the bottom of the
keyway. I really don't know anything about this strongbox, but I would
imagine based on it's likely age and judging from the the keyway that it is
probably just a warded lock that takes a barrel key. There is probably
just one lever inside that has to be engaged in order to open it.
I could just be talking out of my lower blow hole, as I've never actually
seen a box like that, but I've encountered a much smaller equivalent and
that is how it operated.

Let us know how you fare.

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Postby davhamilton » 9 Mar 2005 23:33

Hi again,

I'm trying the coat hanger trick, but I can't seem to get much leverage
with the coat hanger. Is there something else I can use that would have
more torque to it? The coat hanger part I'm holding just bends in a circle
when I try to apply pressure to what I think is the lever.

Also, at the very entrance to the keyhold is a thin gap all the way around.
Do I have to do something with that too?

Could the actual key look something like this, and I have to do something
in that thin gap as well?
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| |__|__/ \
--------- |
\_/

Thanks,
Dave
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Postby davhamilton » 9 Mar 2005 23:43

Oops, ASCII art didn't come across at all. So much for that idea.
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Postby MrB » 10 Mar 2005 0:33

Hint: You can use Code quoting for ascii art.
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Postby vector40 » 10 Mar 2005 2:07

Something to keep in mind is that if the lock is anywhere near as rusted and, well, generally massive as the rest of that box, you may very well need either a proper tempered warded pick or something very similar to pick it -- just for the strength, not for any sort of complexity, since as you found, stuff like coat hangers will just bend. Don't let me stop you from trying, though.
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Postby davhamilton » 10 Mar 2005 4:16

Thanks for the tips, I did buy the warded picks last night, I just have
to wait a couple of days for them to show up now. I also squeezed a lot of
graphite into the lock, so hopefully that will help too.

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