Try-Out Combinations for Fire Fyter Safes?

[sandiegojoe]

Hello,
Does anyone know the try-out combinations for the Fire Fyter brand of safes? Also the dialing sequence for this type of safe?
Thanks,
Joe

[DeadlyHunter]

This information would be discussed in the 'advanced forums'

[sandiegojoe]

I posted a couple of simple questions the other day and as of this afternoon, with 48 viewings of my post, only one person replied to say that it’s only discussed in an advanced forum.

Here's some more information on me and what I'm trying to do.

I’ve been interested in lock picking for years, and I’ve gotten quite good at it. I’m the guy at work they come to when someone has locked their keys in the car (family and friends call me too), or the security department can’t get into someone’s desk, or some cabinet is locked or something. I have about 100% success starting electric Cushman scooters and heavy equiptment (with a jiggler key set I’ve complied over the years), 95% at opening desks and cabinets (jigglers or lock picks), 80% at opening cars (Slim-Jim or coat hanger), and 75% with padlocks (lock picks). I’ve tinkered around with locks a lot at home (I re-keyed all 12 of my exterior door locks when I bought my home, by reversing the position of the pins and then getting a locksmith to make a key for one of the deadbolts, I saved over $250), and I have played around with some file cabinet combination locks that I have had.
The reason I what to learn about safecracking, is because I want to combine several of my hobby interests of locks/safes, restoration/tinkering, woodworking, and cigars. My idea is to find old, small to medium safes, open them, fix them, restore them including new paint and lettering, and then build a nice glass and wood cigar humidor inside. I think these would be great, unique furniture items, and nice conversation pieces, as well as a functional humidor. As I have been looking for a few safes to get started with, I have found that there are many people willing to just give me their old safes, except most of them don’t know the combination. Paying a lock-smith to open them makes the project too expensive for me to enjoy. I’d rather learn to do that myself. Heck...I think that would be half the fun.
So...I go to an estate sale last week and this nice woman has several safes sitting around that she wants to get rid of...and gives them to me for free. I wanted to learn more about safes, especially safecracking and combination lock manipulation. I started with the Fire Fyter safe because it looks cheapest and easiest to work on. It’s black with a grey door, about 12”tall x 18”wide x 18”deep, with a dial but no handle. Simple manipulation reveals it has a 3 number combination. I read a lot of stuff on the internet, I search several sites like this one, and learn as much as I can. Then I decide to post a couple of simple questions here. The lack of response was surprising. After several hours of manipulation, I am unable to hear the sounds described. I then decide to go at it from a different angle. I notice that the hinge pins are the type that can only be removed with the door open, and they look like normal steel, so I guess that this is the weak point. I spend about 3 minutes carefully hack sawing through the pins, and with a slight pry from a large screw driver, the door pops off. I eagerly remove the back cover of the lock, only to discover that the whole thing is made of plastic. That’s why I couldn’t hear the sounds. I quickly deciphered the combination and opened & closed the safe several times using bolts as temporary pins. This morning I had a welder friend, here at the plant where I work, grind & weld the pins back together, and the safe will be as good as new tonight.
Your forum hoards your knowledge of safe manipulation, like it is some kind of Holy Grail, secreted away in locked forums, but you will freely exchange information on lock-picking with anyone. In my opinion lock-picking information is much more sensitive and potentially damaging than safe cracking. Opening locks can give a person access to homes, cars, buildings, equipment, and numerous other areas and containers. But safe cracking can only put smaller, valuable items, money, or perhaps important documents at risk. Many locks can be picked quickly, almost anytime, almost anywhere, by almost anyone with only basic knowledge, and without attracting much attention. With a safe, you have to locate it, find one that has something valuable in it, gain access to it, have the time to work on it, and then really know what you’re doing. Then you will usually just pocket what you have found and leave. No one has ever been beaten and raped because someone manipulated her safe. But you can’t say the same thing about picking the lock on her back door. In my job for example...I’m a “Jet Engine Inspector” for commercial aircraft (the big ones you fly on at the international airports). The 26 years worth of knowledge and experience, that I have could be used for much greater harm than anything discussed here on this forum, yet this information is freely exchanged on hundreds of sites across the internet.
It would be nice if this forum could move into the 21st century and begin a real, free, complete exchange of information? Treat the 99.9% of us who are good, responsible, citizens “Like Adults” and stop worrying about the other .1% who are not. Let's start sharing & learning together.

SanDiegoJoe

P.S.: Can I please have full access to the advanced, restricted forums so I can learn more about safecracking and manipulation. I promise I won't go over to the dark side and use the information for evil.

[MrB]

Why didn't you write something like your second post as your first post?

Honestly, just jumping in as a stranger with a direct question is not good etiquette in any forum. It certainly shows you didn't spend time browsing and reading up on the rules before posting.

A lack of response is just what it is. A lack of response. It's not rude. Maybe nobody had an answer to give?

In any case, if you jump in the middle of a room full of strangers and blurt out a question without any introduction, why should you consider them rude if they don't answer you? Who is the rude one in that situation?

You may be right about safes vs door locks, but it is what it is, and complaining isn't going to change it. People have strong feelings on the subject, right or wrong.

Stick around, get accepted, and maybe you can learn some things.

[rakemaster]

You know I agree with a lot of what you said but man, you sound
angry, like you were just waiting for a chance to spew that stuff.
You got one response to a question about a safe I'd never heard
of (or I would have answered you myself) and you blast everyone.

Maybe your the one with the problem?

I agree that its silly to restrict some of the stuff about safes
especially now that there's manip info on the internet, but at the
same time no one here owes you a thing. You have a bad attitude
imho.

Rakemaster

[sandiegojoe]

Sorry for over-reacting...I'm just a bit frustrated trying to get information on safes.

SanDiegoJoe

[HeadHunterCEO]

Any clown with a credit card and internet access can get a lock-smith certificate and start making duplicate keys in his spare time)

any clown can go to devry and learn aircraft maintenance

piss off

[TOWCH]

I wasn't too keen on the whole advanced forum thing the first time I saw it, but it turned me into an active poster instead of a lurker and I know much more about locks because of it. For me, I learned more in the process of gaining access to the advanced forums than the advanced forums themselves contain.

[toomush2drink]

First up this is lockpicking 101 not safecracking 101 so thats why your question has gone unanswered. Please read the forum rules and you will see that they are not discussed in the open sections.
While you may have your own opinions on what we should and shouldnt discuss i dont think that puts you in a position to judge us for apparantly "hoarding our safe cracking information". Nobody really has any right to any information they choose so please dont be offended if your questions have gone unanswered.
This is a great place to learn but as mr b has said diving in and demanding answers is bad manners and if you stick around and get a feel for the place you will understand what a great community it is.

Many locks can be picked quickly, almost anytime, almost anywhere, by almost anyone with only basic knowledge, and without attracting much attention

If this is the case i hope your house is very secure or you wont sleep at night

[hzatorsk]

P.S.: Can I please have full access to the advanced, restricted forums so I can learn more about safecracking and manipulation. I promise I won't go over to the dark side and use the information for evil.

The advanced forums are 'earned' by continued participation in the regular forums and at the discretion of the moderators.

Subject content classifications as to 'open' versus 'closed' forums and access are policies determined by the admins. There have been plenty of discussions about this in the past.

As a guest here... I just simply accept it. As we would accept your rules if it were your forum.

...now... if you decide to setup a safecracking 101 of your own... I'd be happy to participate there as well.

hzatorsk

[aviator151]

i'd have to agree with everyone else. just becuase you didn't get an answer doesn't mean everyone is "hoarding" this information.
1. People are busy
2. Not everyone here works with safes
3. If safecracking is that important to you learn how to be a locksmith

Don't start a flamewar on this forum because of your lack of knowhow and etiquette.

Now to answer your question, i have no idea.

[kodierer]

Not to disagree with the moderators, but isn't it about time they open up some sections of the advanced forums to the public. Since Bump Keys are now well known, and the white paper easily found, most high security locks can be bypassed, and safe manipulation is very time consuming, and has a difficulty level that would make it less than valuable to crooks. You can also buy books on safe drilling fairly easily. So to discuss techniques for picking high security locks, and manipulation shouldn't be that big of a deal, as picking requires skill as it is, even with more valuable knowledge, picking a high security lock would not be easy.

[toomush2drink]

If you have problems with the content and way this site is run please direct it in a pm to a moderater. If you really feel your missing out on safe information that is so freely available may i suggest you seek it out for yourself but this still remains a lock picking forum at heart so safes are a very small part of i. The other thing you seem to forget is that over here in the uk a lot of safes have lever locks which can be picked and are not all combination safes that your used to.
Lets keep this from turning into a debate on the forum or the thread may end up getting locked

[rakemaster]

Lets keep this from turning into a debate on the forum or the thread may end up getting locked

Yes, and we certainly cant have debate about the forum. that would be
terrible.

[toomush2drink]

Rakemaster my point is that this post is in the locks section if you wish to discuss the forum take it into the general section , is that really too much to ask ?