tubular locks

by **toomush2drink** » 12 Mar 2005 11:04

Ok no problems about why you asked the question you did, it just aroused suspicion along with your choice of user name.

Have you thought about a commercially produced product to help your act ?
You may already know this site but if it helps then great

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enjoy

by **cocacola3** » 12 Mar 2005 11:59

yes there are a few really important parts of this routine im leaving out on purpose, and there is a reason i want to use the tubular lock picks but i dont really want to get into that, anyways thanks for your help, i think you have given me enough to go on

by **fcukniles** » 13 Mar 2005 9:24

dodgey!

by **fcukniles** » 13 Mar 2005 9:28

maybe im just really suspicous due to me owning a vending machine round....... sorry if your question is genuine
i was surprised and shocked how easily i could pick the locks, have now changed the locks inside the machines that protect the money boxes with 5 pin padlocks, hopefull this will stop any would be 'cocacola' theif.

is there any way we can move the information regarding tubler locks to the privite section admins?

by **digital_blue** » 13 Mar 2005 10:58

fcukniles: Dude, I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but that's a wee bit hypocritical if you ask me. You came in here looking for help with tubular locks with a genuine need and a reasonable story. After some adequate amount of questioning, you were given the answers you needed. You certainly were ok with tubular locks being discussed in the open forums when you needed the info, but now would prefer that we would protect your interests by locking the very same information up so nobody else in the open forums can get it. Nice!

Here's some simple advice. Some tubular locks are very easy to pick (esspecially with the proper tools). Some are not. If you're concerned, buy the ones that are not.

by **cocacola3** » 13 Mar 2005 13:13

Hey guys i understand your concern about this and i greatly appreciate the help you are giving me without this i would be absolutly lost. Ok so I have searched around on the net, and found a variety of tubular lock picks, but they look semi complicated, and i dont have the slightest clue on how i would use one, and most of them are pretty expensive, if i buy one will it come with insructions on use? and do you guys have any paticuler favorite models that you would suggest.

Thanks,
Dom

by **MrB** » 13 Mar 2005 14:24

The easiest and most reliable way to open a lock is to use the key. As a magician, you have full control over everything that is part of the effect, so surely you can ensure you have the key available when it's needed? I can't imagine how lock picking would be part of a magic routine. There's too much time and uncertainty involved.

by **master in training** » 13 Mar 2005 17:59

as someone with some experience of lockpicking, locks and seeing magic shows, but nothing about the actual magic side of it, for suggestions to your idea, i would say a tubular lock is small, a large padlock with only one pin would look 1000 times more secure just looking at it, also, i would assume the point of magic is to be quick, the idea of actual picking is to gain entry, speed isnt part of it, its more about reliability, so the picks are made to take a few minutes to open the locks, but they will open them, it would be much quicker and more effective to have a key or build in a mechanism for opening the lock.

admittedly most of this has been said, but i thought i would sum it up into one post, i know you said tubular locks were more of a part of it, but i think in visual terms they wouldn't be as good :wink:

i suppose what im trying to say is, picking will never really be a good option for opening locks as part of a magic trick unless something is rigged somewhere, it simply takes too long.

i have no idea how you would do it, but you could make it so that pressing the centre of the lock in opened it :wink:

~ Master in Training ~

by **cocacola3** » 13 Mar 2005 19:00

Hey guys I really thank you for trying to help, but i have really thought everything out, and yes as much as i like the idea of slapping a big pad lock on there for presentational purposes, I am using a tubular one for this for a very good reason. I would really like to go into detail about why i need to pick the lock, and why im using this sort of lock, and im sure that would help you guys see what im getting at, but at the same time i dont want to reveal the working of this effect online, nor do I want to expose it to a bunch of strangers. I hope that did sound harsh and that you guys you can understand, expecially the magicians. :?

thanks,
Dominic

by **Vincent-XXI** » 13 Mar 2005 19:16

I doubt you will get any answers currently id you do not want to reveal your trick I would suggest PMing someone with the knowledge and explain your trick in detail to them. I'm sure if your story is genune then they may offer some more advice than you are likely to get by sidestepping questions in the public forums.

by **master in training** » 13 Mar 2005 19:28

i agree with vincent, you'll have to PM someone like digital_blue or one of the other magicians to get a real response, im sure you can understand that people do not want to tell you exactly how to open a tubular lock in 2 seconds with a mobile phone, the same as you do not want to reveal how your trick works, if everyone knew how to open all locks, there would be no point in locks and the general security of thousands of machines and suchlike would be non-existent anymore, PMing will be your only hope of getting an answer on this one im afraid.

~ Master in Training ~

by **hzatorsk** » 13 Mar 2005 19:38

cocacola3 wrote:Hey guys i understand your concern about this and i greatly appreciate the help you are giving me without this i would be absolutly lost. Ok so I have searched around on the net, and found a variety of tubular lock picks, but they look semi complicated, and i dont have the slightest clue on how i would use one, and most of them are pretty expensive, if i buy one will it come with insructions on use? and do you guys have any paticuler favorite models that you would suggest.

Thanks,
Dom

Yes... the picks come with instructions and are easy to use with minimal practice. You can expect from 5 to 30 seconds to open the lock with the picks. Newer tubular locks tend to be more resistant to the picks and require more 'prep' time to adjust the pick to the lock. Older locks give quickly to the picks.

Previous suggestions about modifying the locks are good ideas and are not perceptable to an audience or casual inspection. Magnetics come to mind as the easiest to stage and would require minimal lock modification to design. (Pin replacement) You are prepared for light machine work? right?

Personally, I find a illusion based upon locks to be suspect by a typical audience, but that is your decision... and not my call. But... If you PM me with your verifiable Guild info an I'll provide you whatever technical information on tubular locks you may need.

hz

by **toomush2drink** » 13 Mar 2005 20:08

Maybe you should forget the picks and incorperate a biro and peice of toilet roll into the routine :wink:

If your not sure what im on about do a search and find out what "barry" discovered.

by **digital_blue** » 13 Mar 2005 22:21

coke: Tubular lock picks are not 100% reliable. As has been stated here, sometimes they will open a lock very fast, sometimes it will take a few minutes. If you want to know for sure if they will work for your purpose, but are unwilling to tip your effect, I'm afraid that your only option is to make the investment and find out for yourself. Then, if it doesn't end up working out, I will be more than happy to purchase them from you at a deep discount.

If you are interested, as I said, I am a magician and have been seriously involved in magic for quite some time. I would be more than happy to help you if you want to PM me with more specific details, and I am not particularly interested in steeling/marketing/tipping your secrets. Having said that, you don't know me from Adam and so that would require a little blind faith. I know how fickle the magic community can be, and I can understand your reluctance to disclose something if you figure you're on to something good. From my side, I don't realy care. I have lockpicking knowledge and magic knowledge. If I can help, I'm happy to. If you'd rather not, then happy journey, and maybe I'll see your effect at Murphy's someday and think "Hey, I remember that guy!"

Happy picking, and happy finger flicking!

db

by **fcukniles** » 14 Mar 2005 3:25

true db...

my appologies cocacola.

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