Raimundo's Picks

[Romstar]

Dear lord I am so sick of this terminology argument.

So, here it is straight from me to you.

It is a frigging TENSION wrench!!!!

The TENSION wrench places TORQUE on the plug, which in turn causes TENSION between the plug, shell and the pins!!!!!

It is called a TENSION wrench because we really don't give a rats ass about how much torque is on the plug. We DO care about how much TENSION is on the PINS!!!

ITS A TENSION WRENCH!!!

Deal with it. I don't care what your professors say, or anybody else for that matter. The name was set as TENSION wrench because the tool caused tension to be placed on the object of interest. Even if it was through an intermediate object.

Now excuse me while I go find some freaking vallium or something.

Romstar

{edited by Varjeal: We'll discuss this privately, but I think why is pretty bloody obvious}

[omelet]

Actually, the torque puts shear force on the pins (thus the name, shear line), not tension.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=tension

check the definition, I think the one that directly applies to this situation is #3.

/me ducks

[Romstar]

Man, you don't get it do you.

Stop trying to change the terminology, because it was all thought out a long, long time ago.

To tension something also means to make it tight. But that isn't the point here. We are not putting shear force on the pins, because we aren't trying to shear the pins themselves.

The shear line is so names because it is the point where the plug shears from the cylinder or shell. Also, shear means to part, cut or divide.

Also, because it is where the pin stacks are sheared.

So, lets go over this again.

We are putting tension on the pins so that we can part the stack at the shear line

Romstar

[raimundo]

the metal I start with has a perfect 180 degree angle in it everywhere, I reduce this to,..oh about 120 degrees angle where it exits the keyway and and inch later or so, with about a 30 degree bend further which cumulatively amounts to a 90 degree bend. The ergonomics works to allow the fingers close to the front of the plug on the pick tool, and keeps the leverhandle of the the torquier (I like torker) away from the flat surface of the door or whatever where its easy to get fingers on. This also allows reach into a tulip handle. To me, two foryfive degree angles is equivalent to a 90, as are a 60 plus a 30. Rope and cable are excellent materials in tension, while brick is excellent material for compression, the opposite of tension. tensor is nearer the latin root of the word, but of course its all misnamed in the phrase tension wrench. Torque wrench was already taken to mean another very specific thing, but we are all talking about the same thing here, just from different pages of different books in different libraries.

[Cuba]

To tension something also means to make it tight. But that isn't the point here. We are not putting shear force on the pins, because we aren't trying to shear the pins themselves.

I really don't care about what the tools are called, just as long as everyone knows what you are talking about when you mention them, but I thought I would just give you the definition of shear, I'm an engineering draftsperson, so I know a bit about this.

I doesn't matter if you are trying to shear an object or not, a shear force is any force that is applied PARALLEL to the line of failure, therefore the force exerted on the pins is shear. And if you really want to get technical, there is no such thing as shear, when you look at the line of failure microscopically, all the failures are tension failures, but unless you are an engineer you needn't care about that.

[raimundo]

lets call it a shear lever? ok?

[Exodus5000]

I'm in favor of a "tension torquing shear-linery bringing wrench-like metalic pressure bar."

*Romstar's head asplode*

[Romstar]

My head has NOT exploded. At least not yet.

I agree that some of the terms have been applied incorrectly when related to standard mechanical engineering definitions and terminology.

However, they are the terms, names and definitions that have been in use for over 50 years in this business.

Personally, I don't care if everyone calls it an arse picker so long as well all know what tool we are referring to.

I just want us all to be on the same page, regardless of whether or not the terminology matches other disciplines.

Thank you,
Romstar

[rakemaster]

Actually no. I objected to the term tensor, which i've never heard
in lock picking before (maybe i'm wrong though). If youre going
to make up a new term don't make up one that has a completely
different meaning than you want.

And yelling at people who legitmately point out your
mistakes is usually a sign of insecurity and weakness.
Why is this so important to you, romstar? No offiense intended,
but your sounding like a nutcase over this.

Rakemaster

[Romstar]

Okay, well simply because "tension wrench" has been the regualr accepted description of the tool for over 50 years.

We have enough people coming to these forums on a daily basis that we don't need to be redefining the names of all these tools.

Some may technically be incorrect, but the fact of the matter is that some people are trying to impose definitions and expectations from other disciplines onto a system that has been in place, right or wrong for a very long time.

We can debate the need of rchange in master key systems, and I would agree. However, unless needs dictate, there is no reason to go changing descriptions.

Lets stick with the terms as they have been defined for this particular discipline.

Oh, and because every few weeks someone comes along who figures that the terminology is all wrong because they are in this job, or that job and the terms don't match up.

Well, you want to design a new tool that changes how I do my job, I am all ears and eyes. Just don't go messing with a system that works because you don't like the fact that "torque wrench" wasn't used because it refered to another tool.

I'm just tired of it happening on some semi-regular basis. So, don't anyone take this as a personally directed tirade.

Thanks,
Romstar

[raimundo]

looks like romstar rakemaster and omlet are all on the same page saying the same thing. I think the tension is lightening up a bit, do I hear the bottom pins falling loose? Ease of that torkylever a bit..........YESSSS

[NDE Manipulation]

That is some of the finest craftsmanship I have ever seen when it comes to non-production picks.

[MrB]

Note to self: remember not to call it a torque wrench in future.

[silent]

You finally get a digital camera romstar?

[Romstar]

You finally get a digital camera romstar?

I got to borrow my brother's. For about a day.

I really need to get one, because I never have one when I need one.

Romstar