how to get around thing sticking out from side of lock

[vantito]

ok you inside the key hole there are those ribs that are ther to help prevent picking i believe, i found my front door has an particularily hard to get around set of these, it seem that the rib almost touches the pins and its nearly impossible to push the pins down atall. what should/can i do?

[master in training]

firstly they're called wards i believe, which should help your searches for ways to get around them, but without a name of the lock or a picture, it is hard to try and give ideas really. the only real advice i can give is to put your tension wrench at the opposite side to the picks, or just in front of them, whichever is easiest for picking, then try using a long hook to press the pins up with. other than this im not really sure what to suggest for now. possibly slim-line picks if your lock happens to be european or just really tight.

[vantito]

i forgot to mention.... the pins are on the bottom

[master in training]

i gathered, the method is the same as picking any other lock, just "upside down".

[Guesss]

not exactlly sure what you are talking about with out a pic but there are circular tension wrenches out there that you could give a try.. i think varjeal posted on one rescently and maybe that would be able to help you.

[noctorum]

circular tension tool:

http://www.lockpickshop.com/page/LPS/PROD/BTKTT/DNT-21

[vantito]

this is the best i can do on a picture...... cause my camera cant show a high enough quility pic

(not the top but all that matters i drew allready)
________
| ___ |
| \ |
(SIDE OF |thing\ |
KEY HOLE) |_____\ |
| ___ |
| / \ | (SIDE OF KEY HOLE)
| | | |
| | PIN) | |
| | | |

[master in training]

sorry, cant really see the picture

when you do ascii, put it in the code brackets and it appears as it should.

[Guesss]

yah i am not getting that one either. sorry not more help and i see somone posted the circular tool for me. thanx

[security_lock]

How does a circular tension tool help getting past the wards?
I also have problems with wards, they're nasty........

[noctorum]

It gives you a different way to place your hands. You put the wrench on the lock and manipulate it that way, using the pick through the center of the lock.

[Kaellman]

I think you should read some more before trying to pick your front door lock. Read the FAQ, all threads u can get across and of course the MIT guide.

GL!

[digital_blue]

How does a circular tension tool help getting past the wards?
I also have problems with wards, they're nasty........

The idea would be to leave more room in the keyway for your picks, since the circular tension tool brabs with only a small bit at the top and bottom of the keyway, and they run perpendicular to the keyway.
This can help you get around wards in some cases, but with a paracentric keyway it is still very tough to get any range of movement.

db

[vantito]

I think you should read some more before trying to pick your front door lock. Read the FAQ, all threads u can get across and of course the MIT guide.

GL!

i tried my front door because i am able to open my practice lock in under 10 seconds so i thought id try something harder

[daedalus]

Master in training suggestion seems what you need. Use a hook to be able to push the pins while avoiding the ward(s). Also using slim picks helps a lot as you have more space to move the pick without touching the wards or disturbing the pins that are already set. If you cannot push the pins down you're probably not having vertical contact pick to pins, or you're using too much torque on your tension wrench. It may be coincidence, but I usually find that the tighter the keyway is, the less torque you need.
In summary.. use a slim hook(or half diamond, if it fits), and very very light tension. If you follow this, you should at least be able to push the pins.