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Stupid Pick Terminology

When it comes down to it there is nothing better than manual tools for your Lock pick Set, whether they be retail, homebrew, macgyver style. DIY'ers look here.

Postby vector40 » 16 Mar 2005 23:12

People from New Zealand are called New Zealots, silly.
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i see

Postby PYRO1234321 » 16 Mar 2005 23:17

I was on a roll, cut me some slack :lol:
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Postby Mad Mick » 17 Mar 2005 19:52

FFS people, I've only been away from the site for a few months, and this is what I come back to?? After reading this thread and the one about Raimundo's excellent picks (which I also have and can't praise them highly enough...so I won't) I've started to develop a tension headache!

Or maybe it's a torsion headache...
No, wait...perhaps it's a turning headache...

C'mon, we all know what tool is being referred to here. The same is true for the naming convention applied to picks...

Quotes have previously been bandied around, so I'll use another one:
If it isn't broke, don't try to fix it!

The Egyptian Pyramids have been around for thousands of years and have been named as such for (probably) the same length of time. If you use the word 'pyramid', people who have seen a pyramid in it's form know what you are talking about. So, let's look at an octahedron...this is basically two square-based pyramids joined together, with the lower one being inverted. Do we now change the name of the Egyptian Pyramids to 'semi-octahedrons,' just to be technically correct, because that is what they resemble? A pyramid can also have a triangular base with three sides and still be considered a pyramid. But, the generally accepted name for these ancient forms is 'pyramid'. Ask anyone to draw a pyramid and the result will be square-based in almost 100% of responses.

As an example, a half-diamond is what the name implies and what the product resembles. This is an accepted description of the tool.

Depending on the country of origin and using someone with an interest in picking,
Ask someone to draw a tension wrench.
Ask someone to draw a tensioner.
Ask someone to draw a torque wrench.
Ask someone to draw a turning tool.
Ask someone to draw a torsion wrench.
Ask someone to draw a torque bar...

and the result will usually be the same. Whether the name is different in other geographical regions, or the same, the end result will be a picture of a tool which applies a force (and I don't give a smelly brown deposit what kind of force you may wish to rename it to) to the lock plug, to facilitate a succesfull opening of the lock, when used in conjuction with a tool used to manipulate the pins without the presence of the working key.

There's too much emphasis placed around correct (read: 'established', versus 'modern') terminology these days.

The common goal of this forum is to teach the new, or not so new, user how to effectively pick a certain type of lock...in the most productive time period available. This requires an active period of practice upon a particular lock, with the industry-recognised tools, or improvised tools closely approximating the previously mentioned tools...or even better (as in the case of Raimundo, new purpose-made tools which can easily defeat spool/serrated pins). The terminology is inconsequential here...it's the pursuit of the successful 'pop' when the lock is opened that is the ultimate goal.

I think that, for some, the passion of this sport/profession is slightly muddied by a need to be 'technically-correct' Perhaps it's not really a 'pop' when the lock opens, more of a series of mechanical noises!! :wink:

I wish to offend no-one in the above post, I just think that some have lost the real focus of what this site is about.
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Postby stick » 18 Mar 2005 1:20

Here I come with my brilliant post.

I agree.
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Postby frostbyte » 18 Mar 2005 8:19

Mad Mick wrote:FFS people, I've only been away from the site for a few months, and this is what I come back to??


Welcome back :)

Mad Mick wrote:I think that, for some, the passion of this sport/profession is slightly muddied by a need to be 'technically-correct' Perhaps it's not really a 'pop' when the lock opens, more of a series of mechanical noises!! :wink:

I wish to offend no-one in the above post, I just think that some have lost the real focus of what this site is about.


omelet wrote:I have no confusion about any of the names. I know that many are derived from historic names and uses, but was just pointing out how dumb they seem nowadays. I think you and whitehat are taking my post a little too seriously, it was meant to be silly.
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more stuff for you to attack

Postby omelet » 18 Mar 2005 9:28

I have no real intention of bringing about some kind of change in the way we refer to lockpicking tools, and how could I? I was actually hoping that others would chime in with some other entertaining misnomers...didn't happen though.

don't forget all the others - like the circular turning tools, feather touch tools, wishbone wrenches etc. and the profile, deep curve and .....


okay!

"circular turning tool"

Actually it's not a circle is it? I'd say more like a ring. But it does do some turning and is a tool, so that is redeeming ;)

"Wishbone wrench"

This might give newbies the idea that you are supposed to grab both ends and pull until it breaks... sounds like a story for the "official lp101 pick cemetary".

feather touch wrench

Do you touch it with a feather or does it emulate a feather's touch in the lock? I think not. A feather would be pretty ineffectual as a torque tool.
I'll call it a "springy torquer". Now you can't complain about that not sounding cool Whitehat! :D

"deep curve"

Actually, a deep curve would be a curve far below some surface. So you could just call this one a curve pick and it would describe it...but didn't I already rename the hook pick to just about the same thing? oops.
Now we'll have to distinguish. I hereby rename (and hopefully finally) a hook pick to a "curved-end" pick, and a deep curve pick to a "curve" pick. Better? I think so.

As for other Falle picks: progressive and graduated curves, as far as i can tell, they don't describe the picks very well at all. I thought I knew what those words meant...
I'd say they were "tapered" and "untapered curved-end" picks.
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torquer

Postby raimundo » 18 Mar 2005 11:01

My torkylever works for me.
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torkeylever

Postby omelet » 18 Mar 2005 11:15

somehow I really believe that one's gonna catch on, you better trademark that... :lol:
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Postby WhiteHat » 18 Mar 2005 11:22

wow - where can I buy one of raimundo's torkylevers? I've heard they're really good!
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Postby CaptHook » 18 Mar 2005 20:24

Mick...... you're back....... with essays........ :P
Welcome back brother.
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Postby jessopher » 18 Mar 2005 22:10

I think 'pick' is the wrong word all together. We are not mining coal, nor are we breaking ice. I propose we start calling them pin wigglers, or lock pokers. Oh Oh, how about pin wiggling lock pokers. Yeah.
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Postby digital_blue » 19 Mar 2005 0:45

Like... "Hey, pass me my long-profiled jaggedy pin wiggling lock poker"?
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Postby vector40 » 19 Mar 2005 2:40

I like those terms because they don't place any special emphasis on the actual opening of the lock, which in my case is pretty appropriate :cool:
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Postby vector40 » 19 Mar 2005 2:52

Oh, apropos the original topic -- I WOULD like to see "disc tumbler" being used only to denote Abloy-style locks, not simple wafer locks. It's a little disconcerting having to decide whether they're talking about a lousy filing cabinet latch or a high-end weird-tech Assa product.
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vectors right

Postby raimundo » 19 Mar 2005 9:43

vectors right about that one, but whats the chances that any terminology will ever be standardized, actually, this site, possibly the largest collection of people with this unusual hobby, interest, job, would be the place to do it. Start by making all the noobs understand the terms, to do that you also have to make'em understand the locks. and the tools. Perhaps a full forum should just be a one way non interactive tutorial. Of course that would get the journalists going, so there should be a password to get to that, like "joesentme'
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