Cool Wire Inovation key

[rayman452]

Just a thought I was having for a few day. Like the Wire Key falle makes, why not have something along the same basic principle, but this one may be able to tackle harder locks more accuratly? The basic idea behind this is to have a key filed down untill no pins touch the keyblank. Next, the bow of the key is filed down so you have straight access to the pins withyout obstruction. Now, Im going to use a weiser for my example. Since there are 9 possible pin depths, why not insert 9 wire one by one? For example, you first insert a wire that would push the pins up to a 9 pin. Next, you insert another which hits the 8 pin, then 7, 6, etc. This way, if you do have a 9 thre, you can have it bind while working on the 8 size pins without the 9 one blocking your wire from entering. A bonus is that this would be able to be carried easily, and that the bow of the key could be used as a tensioner. Any thoughts on this before I go make one?

[NKT]

I had this exact idea!

The biggest issue would seem to be that you can't get them all into the lock at the same time, and I doubt that they would turn sharply enough. However, if they do, then the strength might be an issue.

If you master that, then you will be able to open any Yale style lock with little trouble, regardless of the bitting, keyway, or whatever. If you make it with 6 wires, then it will easily cope with a 5 pin or less, and with a dial or a computer adjustment system you could almost let it do the work for you entirely.

If it was computer controlled, I would suggest a microphone to listen for the tiny clicks as pins set, which would lower the search time by quite a way.

[NKT]

Hang on... Just realised you were talking about having a set of changable pins that you would swap in and out, not adjustable in real-time.

Your method would take an age, and you are likely to get an illegal combo every so often that jams the lock. Go for a set that has possible combos rather than individual pins, would be easier, I think. Also, there will be issues with the strength of the key if the keyway is thin, since the only support will be at the base.

My idea would be better, since it would take less time, and it would push the wires up the holes drilled for the pins, supporting the wires and avoiding the actual keyway.

[rayman452]

That key exsists, and its the falle key, with holes dirlled in the wards with wires poping up. My idea is to have a wire inserted at one depth, or the highest cut on a key, so that it pushes all the high pins up, then progressivly go down, maintaining medium tension. That way, you should be able to force all pins to their shear line, and do this in a matter of seconds...

[digital_blue]

rayman, what will stop the bottom pins from getting bound in an overset position if you are maintaining tension?

db

[rayman452]

Ummmm......*runs*


seriously though, maybe if you just ease on the tension slightly, like just barly lifitng the pins up, it could possibally work...

[silent]

or have a decoder and this so you can make insanely fast keys

[hzatorsk]

Ummmm......*runs*


seriously though, maybe if you just ease on the tension slightly, like just barly lifitng the pins up, it could possibally work...

Nah... I think the context DB was speaking was in regards to what prevents you from pushing some pins too high and when one of them sets, that the others could be seized above the shear line.

They all won't set at once... and unless you push up the one that sets first... the others could be siezed.

Relaxing tension could just as easily drop a set pin (or pins) as it would one that was siezed too high.

....or did I totally jump in and miss the point?!?!

[digital_blue]

Ummmm......*runs*
seriously though, maybe if you just ease on the tension slightly, like just barly lifitng the pins up, it could possibally work...

This would be very much like "reverse picking" and wouldn't require a special tool. You can use the back of your pick to lift all the pins to the top of the plug, then let off slowly and hope they all stop at the shear line. Harly ever works tho.

db

[NKT]

Well, it would be like reverse picking, but you would simply lift the pins to the top, then run the key through the most likely combos, jiggling as you go. When the pin sets the driver should notice, and stop trying to force that one. Should get you in pretty quick. There are what, 1000 key differs? Should run through that in all of 30 seconds, since you don't need to take the key out and replace it.

[ackhoffman]

Good ideas. What ever happened to you NKT?