Yale M560/562 Levers

[EvoRed]

I have a couple of M560's in stock that have a longer bolt throw (presumably for European requirements like the 3G114E, etc) and, subsequently, they have longer lever gates than their Union and Chubb counterparts.

As the levers are different, the lower lift levers especially leave longer marks on an impression. I got caught out by this the other day on a M562 using the Union BS kit.

A couple of questions for those in the know:

1. I take it these new levers are a fairly new thing on the M560/562, so not all Yale BS levers have these longer gates?

2. Have any Union 2134/2234 and Chubb 3U114/3U74 now got these new levers as I haven't yet come across any?

3. If this is a relatively new thing and you can now come across these locks with different levers, does anyone know how to ID them differently as I'm struggling to find any differences?!

Cheers

[EvoRed]

Another question while I'm here, maybe for Pinky. Why is the M560/562 drill point on Ken's 2-3mm drill template kit different to that of the Union 2134/2234 and Chubb 3U114/3U74? Should it not be drill point 4, as the Union and Chubb are, rather than drill point 5 that's listed which seems to aim for just above the stump, or am I missing something here?

Ta.

[cred]

that's what i thought! thought it was just me

[pinky]

i would ask ken this one, as im sure its an error on his part only.

as to the new e levers within the 560, ive impressioned a few of these, and on some get a longer mark and on others i get the same markings as old , it seems to depend upon the lever combination. as to an id point, i will look into them for you, and yes union are introducing the same e lever series.

im sure you are though doing this on the bench, as these are a reletively new lock in the lock world, and i should think that it will be a long while before you come across these on the door in any numbers, except maybe on new builds

[EvoRed]

Cheers Pinky. I come across one on a warrant last week and couldn't open it with the SV kit. Couldn't really understand why, but all has now become clear.

On the couple I've got in stock, lever numbers 1-3 are around the same as the non-E levers, I haven't got a 4 or 7 in my locks, but 5 was giving about 6.2mm rather than 7.2mm and 6 was giving about 4.6mm rather than 5.5mm.

I can remember flicking between pins 6 and 7 on the job last week and now think this was almost certainly a new E series lock and the 6/7 was in fact a 5.

Anyway, the agent had to re-plan this job so, hopefully, I'll get it again on a run in the near future and can at last pop it open!

[pinky]

best thing to do now then mate , is examine the new lock, take impressions of all levers you have, measure and make up a chart as i know the heights havnt changed, if each lever is measuring up 1mm longer you have your chart and decoder working .
as for id, turn the curtain and see if any give aways there like the chubb e series, examine both locks and see if any minor difference exists, il do same.

[EvoRed]

Already made up a chart based on the levers I have. No 4 or 7 at present though.

No, the curtain looks no different when turning it and no steps on the inside of the case or anything. I can't find any differences as yet but will have another look later. Maybe you'll have more luck!

[EvoRed]

Had another look, but currently only got Union's (not new) and 3U114's to compare it to, so maybe you'll have more luck Pinky.

From the locks I have, if the lock is mounted on the left, you can turn the curtain as far as it will go unlocking and the lip on the inside will tail off, while on the Yale E it will not, it will tail off turning in the locking direction. No idea if this is always the case or not. Also the 3U114 curtain's have 2mm of daylight like, the 3G114, when turned 90 degrees whereas the Yale E has none.

As I say, I probably haven't got the assortment of locks, old and new, to compare them to to make a definite ID point like you have Pinky, so over to you!

[EvoRed]

Any luck with this yet Mr Pink?

Have you checked if the curtain lip tails off differently like I explained, on a left mounted lock, or is it just that the curtains on my locks happen to do this...?

[EvoRed]

Anyone any idea?

[pinky]

im playing with them at present, first off a slight difference when left mounted and turned just under 45 degrees exists in the amount of daylight viewed at bottom of keyway.

though on the 8 locks ive got, all opened on the standard curtain pick and the union plastercine kit, with no real differences found as yet in the impressions, a couple measured up 1mm longer , but only on certain lever configs.

il play some more over the weekend and see what results i get, just took delivery of a number of 3U114 e locks and yales.