would you work for reactfast?

[acl]

Ah grand a week thing rears its ugly head again.I think the fact that this is promised at the training schools is completley out of order and ive said this to a guy who has ties with a training school. I know a lot of locksmiths,good locksmiths with at least 10 yrs under their belt who not only can pick locks but can do all the other aspects of locksmithing that these so called training companies do not touch upon, and they would love to be earning a thousand pound a week.
I am noticing at the moment that things are a little slow and my business has been up and running for 10 yrs now so how on earth is a guy fresh out of two days training going to find the work to earn that much money?
The more guys that beleive this tosh and go on a 2 day course and immediatly set up in business then thats less work for all of us? I beleive the people that buy into this grand a week nonsense are mugs really but the real villians are those promising this .Tri city i dont know wether this is you on ebay and if it isnt then i feel you are due an apology but if it is how do you think this is helping our trade? Saying this i do find it a little unfair if you alone get a load of flack for this as ive been reliably told that there are at least 3 others on this site that were complete novices a year ago that are now training.Again how is this helping our trade? How can you have learnt enough in one year to teach others?
Tricity are you still going to work for rf once youve got your decoders?
Its also been mentioned on here before that a lot of new guys think that once the directories come out thats it youre made. This unfortunatly is not the case because the directories are full of multiple ads by companies such as Reactfast(remember them?) and Asolute Emergencies . God how did i get back to this ?! Shaun youre right i am obsessed.
Andy

[tri-city]

i dont want to upset the likes of you or pinky but we all have to earn a living i'm just doing it the way i know how. as i been given a pretty good vote of confidence from those i have taught and some that i haven't, and that ive got a passion for non destructive entry, i feel i have something to offer those that come. anyone is welcome, as i said. only those with current crimnal records need not apply. i think that learning is oblique and no one should judge. remember we all started somewhere, and it was usually at the bottom. all i can do is to keep learning myself. if everyone slates me, i cant help that. im just doing what you guys do. what i teach is genuine bona fide locksmithing. admittedly with a little less experience than you guys. but i feel i still have an awful lot to offer anyone who wants to learn.

[toomush2drink]

i think that learning is oblique and no one should judge. remember we all started somewhere, and it was usually at the bottom. all i can do is to keep learning myself. if everyone slates me, i cant help that. im just doing what you guys do. what i teach is genuine bona fide locksmithing. Laughing admittedly with a little less experience than you guys. but i feel i still have an awful lot to offer anyone who wants to learn.

Tri city what you are doing is dis-honest and disgusting, of course you wont get complaints as the people attending your course dont know any diffeent but im sure that would change if they new the truth from this forum. So what 6 pin locks are you picking then ? How do you open a high security padlock like a chubb conquest or ingersoll ? Ok so you may have had some luck picking a few locks but and a big but earning over £1000 a week or 3-4 times that is a downright lie !! Ive been trading a year and earn no where near that amount, thats the reality of the trade
How can you compare yourself to pinky in what he is doing ? Pinky has STOPPED training people for this very reason of people like yourself setting up training schools even though he has a lot to offer. i respect the fact you are honest enough to admit what your doing but take a long hard look at where it will lead you. Where do you go now for help and advice ? Can you even answer the questions chris b has posed ? Any bonafide locksmith should be able to. Ive said it before and i will say it again after only trading as a locksmith a year i still feel im a young apprentice to the trade but with my key cutting backgound of 12 years ( some of it working with a locksmith) i had a bit of a head start. There nothing like keys being returned to make you find out why certain locks behave certain ways. (securefast anyone ?). My point is some picking ability does not make you a locksmith it requires many other skills and knowledge. Have you got yourself a copy of "an encyclopedia of locks and builders hardware" a bible to the trade especially anyone new but unfortunately out of print now.
Its not too late to take change your path so at least you have a chance of succeeding in the trade.

[acl]

Cant quite beleive what im reading, im of to open a safe so i havent got time to reply at the moment,im sure a few of you will oblige.
ANDY

[Roger Cook]

More from the investigation team, but Jason (Tricity) from Harrow, appears on the bankruptcy listing and should not be trading (oops) .. promise not to tell the IR and all ... but then again ...

[pinky]

Roger Cook ? any relationship to the fat guy ?

Tri-city , you admit to haveing alot to learn as you are no more than a novice, yet in your ad you claim to be fully qualified, what makes this lie either ethical or acceptable, its a con which ever way you rap it up.

to claim £1000 is easily earnt, what makes this lie either ethical or acceptable ?

even the BLA used real locksmiths to do the training, you know what i mean, locksmiths who have extensive on the job experience, unlike of course you, and extensive industry experience in all aspects of the trade, again unlike you.

your attitude is one of a very confused guy , either you want whats best for the industry, or you want to train suckers who are gullable enough to believe that you are fully qualified and that you will teach them enough to earn £1000 pw and thus swallow your lies, how can you teach a subject that by your own admission you know so little about, if its not to con people, it must be a con as you tell 2 big blatent lies , 1 ) that you are fully qualified and 2) that they will earn £1000 pw easily, should be up to 4 times that, do you really think anyone can now take you seriously as an honest guy ?

i have 4 more bookings to honour before i quit novice training entirely, as im fed up training incompetents who themself train with little to no experience, but there is a light at the end of the tunnel as training now exists big time training those fools who are tradeing who were conned into believing the lies by rogue trainers.

im not going to get into a site brawl with you jason, as frankly your attitude of your doing nothing wrong , speaks volumes and proves its a waste of time, i will just rise above it and have absolutely nothing to do with you in the future and urge all locksmiths to do the same.

please jason dont liken yourself to me or other LOCKSMITHS in the same sentence, unless its to do the right thing.
you say that you start at the bottom, a good idea, start by doing the job for a number of years, and learn the trade before teaching poor gullables and lieing to them, then one day when you become a locksmith , you may realise why so many are disgusted by your actions, you say we all slate you, jason take a long look at yourself and decide , do you really deserve it ?
you say that you are doing this to buy decoders, its admirable that you desire to be non destructive, though it defeats the object if you are willing to con people in order to reach your goal, what you are doing benefits nobody, least of all you.

trust me jason if you want respect and to be accepted by the locksmith community in the uk, and if you want to build your reputation, then this my friend is not the way to do it, this way you become a laughing stock and you become alienated by those you seek to be a part of, NDE is the way forward, but not at any cost and certainly not by conning those less in the know out of their honest hard earned. so i urge you to consider your actions and take a long look at yourself and what you are doing.

[acl]

Sadly tomorrow is my 37th birthday so in lieu of this my "darling" wife (so she tells me ) decided to take me for a meal tonight.Lovely French resturant pretty close to home. What a night! i telll you our main course was the absolute business ,chicken au garlic smothered in garlic with garlic gravy. Unfortunatly the starter was total mank the sweet tasted like kack,there were no ashtrays and i had to eat my dinner outside on the pavement but when i complained the chef said hed only been taught 3 weeks ago bya plumber called Bill .Aparantly the plumber had been on a cooking course held by a guy called "Jamie no lever "and he told him hed be earning 4 grand a week in the cooking game if he was smart and lied his arse off.Shit meal but hey weve al got to earn a living somehow havent we?!
Andy

[oldlock]

From the sound of it Tri-City was a poor sod that parted with his cash to attend a course at some time in the past, and has since been somewhat dissapointed to find that all the bull that he was sold on was lies.

However that is no reason to continue to propogate the same lies now is it ?

I would suggest that he consider a different trade - the true locksmith trade - requires morals and ethics - if you can't see that then go do something else.

Paul

[Roger Cook]

Its back on ebay with a a different description, this time full of spelling mistakes.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 02457&rd=1

I have e-mailed all the distributors to watch out for anybody claiming they have done this course.

I'm curious by the many jobs available in the industry ... please tell us more ...

This industry needs to be regulated or regulate itself, whichever can be done in the shortest amount of time.

[Roger Cook]

oh yes, forgot to ask something. You post stating that you do not have the picks to open doors non destructively and have not been trained on them. Yet you advertise training on NDE. I don't think you could teach anybody a thing on NDE. What a joke.

[pinky]

seems the guy believes he is doing no wrong and is justified in charging for his meagre knowledge.

i would imagine its a grey cell problem, if he intended being a locksmith then he would not lie so blatently, nor would he consider himself good enough to teach.

thankfully im out of this soon, all i can say is i feel sorry for the mugs he trains, and take ear muffs as he was vaccinated with a gramaphone needle and cant shut up.

its obvious we cant change his views nor can we change his direction, one day he may look back and realise that he is being a fool, and has alienated the community he claims to want to be part of, hes just shot his bolt there i think.

another con another scam and another nail in the industries coffin, im not bothering with him or his posts and urge all other real lockeys and pickers to do the same.

[Wallaby]

I think there is some misunderstanding here. It is a simple error. As you say pinky, people are paying for the knowledge and he has simply put the decimal point in the wrong place for the price on e-bay ..... say a couple of places too far to the right ...

[pinky]

its not the money , its the ethics of what he is doing.

if the locksmith industry is so unskilled that you can learn it enough to teach within a few weeks,, what does it say for the industry.

tricity obviously has such little regard for the industry and so little respect for it that he is willing to pimp himself for profit, selling very little.

consider that the small amount of knowledge that this fool has , he will teach complete wasters who themself will become cowboys too, they will realise that you have to practice and get years of knowledge under your belt as well as hard graft to make a living, so they will impart their meagre knowledge for profit too, and sooner or later the art will be diluted out of the industry, for what , because tricity has an ego as big as his mouth and thinks hes a lock god.

i for one believe he is no more than a con man, how can he teach NDE without the tools and knowledge to do so, oh i forgot he needs to con 6 gullables out of their cash so he can buy some picks, maybe best to pay off your creditors and become solvent first !
how can you openly say in 1 breath that you need to gain experience and beg for training, and in the next breath claim to be qualified to teach the industry.

the guys in cukoo land , its this type of pimp that is killing the industry, promises of employment when we know this is not so, promises of being nde with just a little practice again not so, lower than the low, and he hasnt even the guts to admit hes scamming.

to all of you guys with only 12 months experience and now training , is the short term extra really worth it, how many of you really are good enough with the tools to teach upon them ? how do you really feel about what you are doing, turning out substandard dreamers, soon their will be no uk locksmith industry left, and like it or not , you are one of the main reasons for this.

so next time you take your blood money for offering your expert training, and some cowboy nicks your work, then dont bleat as you are all part of the problem , isnt it time to be part of the solution.

tricity is just one, one of the worst , but just one of the scams operated by underskilled so called locksmiths.

i for one will not help tri city or any one of those training , as if training you should be good enough , if you dont know it or cant do it or dont yet have the experience, then dont train, its easy, or is it easier to scam a bit of cash.

[gee252]

I went on a locksmith course last August but i went with my eyes wide open and knew that to become a professional locksmith was going to take me years and i will keep learning and practicing until i do get there.
But the problem is most on these courses think that they spend a few hundred quid get a few basic tools and away they go £1000 a week. I remember one lad on the same course has me, he had just about managed to get the money together to pay for the course and didn't even have enough left for a few beers that night
He was under the impression that after the two days his problems would be solved and he would be making thousands poor sod.
I think all the locksmiths who have been part of this have to hold their hand up and take some of the blame, Some have and do realy have this industry at heart but there are still alot out there who don't give a dam plus there are even alot more fools ready to waste there money.
When i first thought about wanting to become a locksmith i must admit i thought it was going to be easy but since i did my course and have spoken to the likes of pinky and read a load of advice on here i no different now. all in all i must have spent well over £5000 now and i'm still not ready to go out there, don't get me wrong i could bluff my way through it but thats not my idea of becoming a professional locksmith when i tell people i am a locksmith i want to say it with pride and as i have stated before i think or should i say now i thought locksmithing was one of the last true skillfull professions left but at the rate the con's and cowboys out there are going and the bad press it gets now days i think it is in the balance.

[pinky]

you are a dying breed gee , its the amount of rogues training that has made me quit training novices and to push for licences and recognised association training schools.

by his own admission tricity wants to con a few gullables out of their cash so he can afford the NDE tools, this is one of his feeble justifications.

my main reason for teaching NDE and promoting NDE was to push standards into the industry through better skilled locksmiths, not to give fools a little knowledge so they can set up in training imparting their false promises and little skill for a quick buck, it seems you cannot help people .

tricity sees no wrong in what he does, though only a few weeks ago he wanted me to teach him NDE, he now thinks hes going to SV to learn it, why , not so he can become a better locksmith, but so he can con more from the dreamers.

the guys a rogue, as is any new locky with under a years experience trying to claim they are experienced and set up in training.

whats left of the uk industry is sad, and in need of dramatic change.