Locks And Bolt Cutters

by **GrodyCody** » 28 Dec 2003 15:14

Hey guys,
Recently Iv had a few locks that i couldn't pick. I am thinking about buying bolt cutters to make my life easier. Any good ones you can recomend? Also, Id like to know the difference between "hardened" and "case hardened." The locks i couldn't pick were mostly "hardened"

Thanks

by **Biff** » 28 Dec 2003 16:01

you shouldn't be picking locks you don't own or have permission to open, and when you need bolt cutters, it makes one wonder...

by **Eyes_Only** » 28 Dec 2003 16:09

This just sounds way too suspicious...

by **Chucklz** » 28 Dec 2003 17:50

IF you are the legitimate owner of the locks, just keep at picking, eventually you will get them. IF you are trying to get into places you dont belong, well, you aren't going to get much help here.

by **CitySpider** » 28 Dec 2003 21:05

GrodyCody wrote:Hey guys,
Recently Iv had a few locks that i couldn't pick. I am thinking about buying bolt cutters to make my life easier. Any good ones you can recomend? Also, Id like to know the difference between "hardened" and "case hardened." The locks i couldn't pick were mostly "hardened"

Thanks

"Hardened" and "case hardened" have nothing to do with pickability.

by **Chubby** » 28 Dec 2003 22:34

You want to be looking at some cutters with high carbon alloy steel jaws, preferably replaceablejaws. 36" boltcutters will go through a 3/8" shackle like a hot knife through butter, however if it is hardened (and not all that are marked as hardened are!) it will take a lot more leverage, so also look for a cutter with a good cam system...I find that lock killers are much more effective, you can pull the cylinder out of ANY lock (that has a cylinder), and with no effort whatsoever. With padlocks all you need to do is after you've pulled the cylinder shake out any pins or springs that may be still in the body of the lock, pop the cylinder back in and turn it with a screw driver to disengage the locking mechanism.
Here's one I had to "Put down!" after it would not unlock with the original key or by using manual/electric picks...hope this is of some help... :wink:

by **mrgadget** » 1 Jan 2004 16:01

where can you buy these "lock killers?"

by **poisoned** » 2 Jan 2004 12:37

you can pull the cylinder out of ANY lock (that has a cylinder)

correct me if im wrong but doesn't Abloy disc locks also use sylinder.

I don't think it would work on an Abloy...

by **Chubby** » 2 Jan 2004 14:09

Hi poisoned, what particular cylinder lock by Abus are you refering to? if you have a link to a picture etc. I can tell you on the spot if it will work or not... :wink:

by **poisoned** » 3 Jan 2004 10:24

Im talking about Abloy NOT Abus.. I didn't find any good pictures of the cylinders but heres one for u.. http://www.abloy.com/index.cfm?ChangeSetNow=11 The small picture one the right side of the page shows some different Abloy locks&cylinders that I think can't be "killed" with the lock killer...
Im not talking about any company that is a part of Abloy that makes pintumbler locks
(for example ASSA), im talking about disctumblers (older and newer classics, exec, profile, disclock pro etc..).

by **Chubby** » 4 Jan 2004 8:31

Abloy, Abus both a pain in the Assa... :lol:

I had a look at the products and I can't see that there would be any difference... :shock:

by **poisoned** » 4 Jan 2004 10:02

The Abus brass locks can be "killed" cause they use pins. The Abloy disc locks cannot be "killed" cause the front of the cylinder is covered/protected with a steel plate (yes my english sucks :lol:

) http://www.abloysecurity.co.uk/products/doorcylinders/aresults.asp
click on the product codes to see the pics..

by **poisoned** » 4 Jan 2004 10:04

The Abus brass locks can be "killed" cause they use pins.

..and the front of the cylinder is not covered like Abloy's...

by **Chubby** » 4 Jan 2004 14:10

poisoned,
I think I now know how things have gotten a bit confusing for you, GrodyCody (Original poster) was asking about bolt cutters for padlocks and I used my padlock as an example in the event that any one should come across a shrouded padlock(protected against bolt cutter attacks) I have seen the Abloy Euro Profile CY303/04/05 that are encased and the plug to the cylinder cannot be removed as in other euro profile models...allow me to reiterate: This special tool, is developed for locksmiths and governmental agencies, and allows the easy and efficient removal of any type of (profile, round and oval) cylinder locks (the complete cylinder not just the plug!). It allows the fast opening of doors without damaging the door or the door guard (it will break the cylinder retaining screw & in the event the actuation cam is 30Âº offset it will break that too!) Using the included base plates for the pulling of plugs(not needed with padlocks, unless it also has a euro profile cylinder...some do! :shock:

)(see below picture), it is also possible to only remove the plug itself from the cylinder, allowing quick and easy access to the locking mechanism, it often is the only effective manner of a time-saving emergency-opening, especially in the case of multiple-bolt locks and half cylinders (cylinders that only contain 1 plug and can only be opened from one side of the door), as commonly used for example in glass-doors, garage-doors, alarm systems, security shutters & of course padlocks.
Once the cylinder has been removed you open the lock by using a universal key (for the opening of doors after the removal of a Euro-Cylinder see below picture)
I hope this answers your query... :wink:

by **poisoned** » 5 Jan 2004 11:18

OK, now I uderstand it... :idea:

For some reason I was thinking that cylinder and plug are the same thing :oops:

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