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Removing pins from SFIC cores

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Removing pins from SFIC cores

Postby sawtenor » 25 Apr 2005 17:19

Hi,
I bought recently a BEST padlock and i'm interested by removing the pins to and grind the uppers to make mushrooms. Any idea how to do it?
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Postby vector40 » 25 Apr 2005 17:32

Whoa. Er.

I believe you can punch the entire pin stacks out through holes in the bottom of the plug with the right tool.

Seems like a totally weird project, though. Why are you set on "shrooming" a BEST? And why not just pick up some manufactured pins?
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Postby stick » 25 Apr 2005 19:47

You'd have to remove the core, either with a control key or picking it at the shear line. Then just pop them out, making sure to keep them in order if you want a functioning key when you're through.

http://crypto.com/photos/misc/sfic/ if you need an image to show you what the core will look like when removed.
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theres a tool for that

Postby raimundo » 26 Apr 2005 12:20

there is a best core dissasembly tool that pushes the tops off the pin stacks, the best core is put into the tool and 6 rods enter the holes on the bottom of the core, (these holes are of a smaller diameter than the pins themselves for applications were the core may be turned 180 degrees to prevent the master key wafers from fallin into them) the rods push the pin stacks against the springs crushing them, and all of this pushes out the pin stack cap. to reassemble, usualy new springs and new pin stack caps are used. You can also drive out a column with a sixteenth inch pin punch available at the hardware store. this will drive out one collumn when hammered in. perhaps you can reuse the pinstack cap, if you do you might want to crimp the top of the cylinder where the colllum comes out by dinging it with a centerpoint punch or other such tool. Or you could place a round ended tool on the top of the pin stack and hit it once, causing the cylinder to spall into the collumn drilling and tighten the pin stack cap. So called grinding of mushroom pins is a bad idea, look for mushroom pins made on a machine and of the same diameter as the best pins. If you had a plan on how to hold and turn the little driver pins while grinding it, I would be very interested in learning how that would be done. :shock:
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Postby master in training » 26 Apr 2005 13:14

the best idea i've heard so far for making mushroom pins is to put the pin in a drill chuck and take a file to it, not a bad idea really!
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Postby Mad Mick » 26 Apr 2005 17:36

master in training wrote:...not a bad idea really!


Until you try it. There's not a lot of the pin to grip in the chuck, if you want to make a decent mushroom.
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Postby TOWCH » 26 Apr 2005 20:22

I remember someone pulled it off though. There are pictures floating around somewhere.
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Postby tskaze » 26 Apr 2005 21:16

How are you gonna make the pins into shroom pins when you get them out?
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Postby stick » 27 Apr 2005 0:21

Wow, tskaze asks a lot of questions that make me want to post something sarcastic, and then I remember the search link is dead. :(

Mushroom pins are just driver pins with specific areas of the pin removed. Just use a file/dremel/etc. to make the driver into a mushroom shaped pin, and you have a mushroom pin.
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Postby vector40 » 27 Apr 2005 1:15

Easier said than done -- you need to hold it still and you need to file (mostly) evenly around the radius. Not easy on such a tiny thing.
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Postby digital_blue » 27 Apr 2005 7:37

I've never tried, but I would think that you'd have a better chance holding a pin in the chuck of a dremel rather than a drill. Just a tought.

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Postby SFGOON » 3 May 2005 14:25

There's a lot that goes in to keying an SFIC, fortunately for the craftsman in you, instructions are available online from BEST in a PDF format. Google it and It'll help you a lot in your endevours.
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Postby sawtenor » 7 May 2005 17:44

Thanks everyone for your replies. I sucessefully removed the pins but I've changed my mind, so maybe the mushrooms will be for another time! :)
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