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by Ezer » 14 May 2005 7:20
I get the cynisism from the members who have been here for a while and have answered countless of these types of posts, but bob, you're still asking these types of questions yourself.
This isn't a flame. This is just my mind going "Huh?!".
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by digital_blue » 14 May 2005 7:31
Ezer wrote:I get the cynisism from the members who have been here for a while and have answered countless of these types of posts, but bob, you're still asking these types of questions yourself.
This isn't a flame. This is just my mind going "Huh?!".
Thank you. I couldn't think of a way to say that nearly as politely, so I remained silent (for once).
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by omelet » 14 May 2005 9:52
i wish people would stop giving false answers to newbie questions. After all, what purpose does it serve? It doesn't help the person or get across the idea that they need to search for the answer, and it is just mean thing to do. Not everyone is so clever as you think you are.
Just think, if a newbie did a search on some basic thing and reads a reply you make of total BS, you have just polluted our information pool and are actually working against what you're trying to do.
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by Ezer » 14 May 2005 10:57
Honestly I'm not too worried about the newb that's intelligent enough to search, because if you're smart enough to search before asking a question, then you should be smart enough to know what a FAQ is. The first thing I do when I'm on a new board is to look for any FAQs and rules. If for no other reason, it's just common courtesy.
On a parallel train of thought, has anyone else noticed when you have less people here who never tire of posting the same things over and over (not a dig at anyone) that others become snippier with these types of posts?
I really don't know the answer to how to deal with these types. If the regular members ignore them, they will most likely get upset and flame or whine. Then the mods either have to take the time to answer them or delete their post to prevent a flame war.
Or if they are answered over and over, people here start to get frustrated and find ways of trying to get back at the newbs by giving false information. My problem with that is that even though people have started adopting this response instead of just outright flaming. It still is a hassle for the mods. It might be easier on posters consciences, because then you don't see the mods coming in and constantly warning and deleting. That just means they are having to wait 'till the thread is quiet long enough untill they can delete the whole thing without anyone feeling censored.
In the end all this rambling just means one thing, I think too much, and not the good kind like, "How could I make the world a better place?" but like just this morning while getting ready in the bathroom, I was comparing the differences in "true" power between the official and unnofficial hierarchies invariably found in any social structure populated with humans.
Have a nice day. 
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by biggar101 » 14 May 2005 14:04
Greatbob wrote:Well you can use pepsi cans, cut them open and make strips about 1/4 and inch wide, dip it in wax a few times so it gets nice and thick, then bend it 90 degrees so it looks like an L. Also for your pick, use a gatorade bottle, cut it the same way except 1/2 inch wide and cut it so that it looks like a diamond pick. The plastic is nice and sturdy and the sodium in the gatorade helps keep it from shattering
Here are some tips from MCM
1) Newbies tend to apply too little tension, when pressing on the tension wrench it should to the point of *almost* bending the wrench.
2) Always ALWAYS start from the back of the lock, and work your way forward. Newbies tend to look for binding pins and go with them first, but this is incorrect.
3) The best place to buy picks are in "Spy shops" if you can find them, they are shops that sell things like spy 'gadgets,' telephone taps, etc. Their lockpick prices are often much better than those online.
4) Start with brands like American (padlocks) and medeco, they run a little more expensive because they have hardened metal inserts to thwart physical brute force attacks like drilling but are easier to pick because they have a higher machining tollerance.
He suggests making picks out of pepsi cans too, but thats not so good as I have learned, they tend to break in the lock, then you need to make a "broken pick extractor" out of gatorade caps, which is a pain
thats only in some spy stores i know my spystore is like 80 bucks for like 2-3 picks and a tention tool and a book
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by Ezer » 14 May 2005 14:32
Uhmm... biggar that whole post is a flaming pile of *.
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by digital_blue » 14 May 2005 14:54
You know, I think you're totally right omelet. I'm usually the last to get into a flame war with anyone. However, I myself have taken a couple of these cheap shots as of late but I've tried to also explain in my post that the info is totally incorrect and give a reason why I've chosen not to answer the question directly, because I am all for newbie learning. But you're right. Aside from adding some mild entertainment to an otherwise useless thread, there is little benefit to it.
But the bigger problem, to me, is the actual n00bs themselves (not all of them, you understand). I spend as much time here as anyone (and a lot more in many cases) and it is very cumbersome to read through the same questions again and again, often even in the same day, right on top of each other. There has been a rediculous eruption of newbies as of late who are not willing to take the time to open up the FAQs, let alone search for the answer. Very true to the traits of the younger generation, they'd rather let someone else do the hard work for them, and choose to act like we here owe them a favour. I don't like to get into flaming at all, but I'll tell you that sometimes it takes all the restraint I can muster to not blast someone who acts in this way. I can't tell you how many times I've had a response typed up and just chosen to hit the back button because my rational mind reminded me that my flame would not contribute anything to this site.
I suspect some of the worst offenders will eventually grow into contributing members of this site. I hope they do. In the mean time I can see why some members have adopted the approach they have. It may not be right, but it's relief.
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by Chucklz » 14 May 2005 15:53
The crop of foolish noobies comes every may and september. Get used to it.....
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by digital_blue » 14 May 2005 15:59
Chucklz wrote:The crop of foolish noobies comes every may and september. Get used to it.....
Really? Why?
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by Sabin37 » 14 May 2005 17:26
omelet wrote:Just think, if a newbie did a search on some basic thing and reads a reply you make of total BS, you have just polluted our information pool and are actually working against what you're trying to do.
I agree. Even a newb that does search on their own could be led astray if they have no experience at all, so I think we should try to keep all the information correct. There will still be newbs that deserve to be flamed because they have no common sense, but we should find other ways to deal with that instead of lying to them.
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by Chucklz » 14 May 2005 18:51
We should always strive to provide the best information. Jokes are fine, but when they are nearly credible... well here is where we really shouldn't be confusing noobs too much.
About the noob timings. May/June is when many schools in the US let out for the summer. Kids are looking for something to do. September is when college freshmen discover that being locked out of your dorm room kinda sucks...
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by jamo » 16 May 2005 12:46
your all prob going to hate me for saying this but i will anyway on the topic of flaming noobs the thing is to remember that u were all newbies at one point (some members of this forum i.e the people who set it up excluded)
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by digital_blue » 16 May 2005 12:52
We were all surely newbies, but we were not all n00bs. See the difference?
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by Ezer » 16 May 2005 13:19
I was starting to wonder if anyone would ever bring up the difference between the two. I guess I'm just used to gaming sites where people can't wait to point out that kind of stuff.
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by jamo » 16 May 2005 13:28
yeah fair point although i still don't agree with flaming
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