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Review: Raimundo's picks

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Review: Raimundo's picks

Postby vector40 » 15 May 2005 1:30

Just realized that I received my picks from raimundo ages ago, and I never posted my thoughts here! A slacker is me.

For those of you still in the dark, raimundo, one of the LP101 luminaries, makes and sells homemade picks fashioned from street cleaner bristles. Like a proper craftsman, he files them down by hand, then polishes them with increasing grades of sandpaper. (Not sure if he tempers them -- ray?)

His primary "models" now are a pair of self-contained tools called the Bogota rake and Bogota pick. The pick is a half-diamond, distinguished by the diamond not protruding from a straight shaft, but rather being cut in from the bottom as well, creating a "zig-zag" pattern in the metal. I'm told he does this to maintain the strength of the tool, as well as to make it easier to maneuver past wards.

The Bogota rake is the same story, except there are three bumps, all of equal height.

Quick photo: http://berkeleyhigh.org/provinggrounds/bogota.jpg (key for perspective; post-it for... uh... because.)

You'll notice the unusual shape. Actually, the L handles are designed to be used as tension wrenches; you pick with one tool, you torque with the other. Like the rest of the tool, they're polished smooth; actually, the finish on these is undoubtedly one of the high points, allowing the pick to move butter-smooth within the lock, whether you're raking or just positioning it. You hold the pick between your thumb and forefinger right behind the twist in the tang, bracing your middle finger against the L-bend. It's a change from the classic pencil grip, but works fine.

Using these I've made leaps and bounds in my picking that I could never pull off with my SouthOrds. The diamond is fairly standard stuff, but excels for raking/scrubbing because of the smooth finish and very low-profile shaft. The Bogota rake... at first I couldn't figure it out at all, but now it's my favorite pick. You can tip it back and use the bump at the tip as a diamond, or you can hold it flat and scrub; or you can rock it around and in and out like a jiggler, letting the bends and bumps kick the pins all over the place. It's sized to more or less the same length as the cuts on an ordinary key.

These are built as a small, effective unit (they can be stuck into the spring from a ballpoint pen), and they work great for that. I've been using them as my primary picks, though, to the point where I almost wish for a bit more. For instance, a separate tensor would be nice; occasionally I want to be able to switch picks, which is impossible when one of them is being used for tension. And I have some trouble using the diamond for single-pin picking (not my strong suit anyway), in part because it's so smooth; a good hook would really round things off.

I used to find the tensor blades a little too wide, and they are on the wide side, but it actually just serves to lodge itself more securely in the keyway. Occasionally I wish it were a little smaller, but then, I always wish I had more space; what I really want is a magical telekinetic wrench that doesn't go in the keyway at all...

I do sometimes wonder what these would be like, built in a way that facilitated an ordinary grip rather than the L shape. Better, worse? Occasionally when I'm raking, the way things are constructed makes me bump into the wrench with one of my pick fingers, risking a loss of tension. A bit annoying. And obviously these aren't invertable without a seriously weird grip, so you'll need a different pair if you have Euro-mounted cylinders.

I also think I've bent both of these just a tad from aggressive raking at firm-springed pins. That may be a consequence of a Genghis Khan picking method, though.

Anyway, the short story is that these are some fantastic picks, and I eagerly await the next notion to come from raimundo's brainpan. If you get a chance to score a set of these... take it.
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Postby Silver » 15 May 2005 3:36

Very Interesting. The way each picks gun shape allows it to doubles as a tensioner is nice. I might have to borrow this idea for my next pick set. (If only I could get the metallurgical magic right...)
I especially like the profile of the tang on the hook pick. Looks like that would provide plenty of stiffness without clogging up the keyway.
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Postby Addi » 15 May 2005 5:18

I still dont understand how you can make something like that out of a street sweeper bristle......all i can make out of them are tension wrenches... :cry:

But apart from that, it looks reaaaaaaaaaally nice. Especially the pineapple post-it. :twisted:
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Postby stick » 15 May 2005 13:45

The first thing I noticed when I got mine was that the street sweeper bristles he uses are around 50% thicker than the ones I find around here. :( The case may be the same for you. All the picks that I've made aren't nearly as stiff as the bristles he uses.
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Postby Chucklz » 16 May 2005 17:55

I use a small width tension tool with the bogota picks for a bit more up and down action. This combination seems to be quite effective for me.
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bogota picks,

Postby raimundo » 17 May 2005 8:29

On the bogota rake, the undercuts are necessary for the strengh, so that there is not a narrow thin place for stress to concentrate, but a long thin area that spreads the stress. The half diamond pick gets the undercut for the esthetic pairing with the the rake, also the skeletonization helps to prevent a stuck pick, and you can use it in a handcuff to unlock it, with the tip forward slope as the blade of the handcuff key and the back slope as the part of the tube that exits the keyhole. The bogota rake would not even work at all if it were left rought, the finish is necessary to make it work. 8)
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Re: Review: Raimundo's picks

Postby GWiens2001 » 5 Sep 2012 1:19

Recieved my Bogotas from Serepick. Quite small, but about as I had expected. Still getting used to them, don't seem to have the tecnique down yet. Can still SPP deadbolts faster than I can use these, and raking with a diamond is faster yet. But have to admit, the diamond rake has been my mainstay for years. Looking forward to learning how to use these better, as those with experience seem to swear by them. Any tips?
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Re: Review: Raimundo's picks

Postby johnw » 26 Sep 2012 5:02

I have the two pick set from serepick as well, I don't really use them anywhere near as much as my fallesafes and petersons (they live with my peterson set now).
I have however used them quite successfully on a few training locks for demos. I'm overall happy with the quality of the picks and the service from serepick.
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Re: Review: Raimundo's picks

Postby Conquer » 29 Oct 2012 10:10

Here is my Review:

Again, keep in mind I am 100% new to this and have just received my set. When I got them I couldnt believe how light they were, although I have no other picks to compare them to. And at only 3 inches I was actually glad I made the decision to get the full size set and not the minis in the end because after using them I dont see how anyone would be able to use the minis for anything other than a Masterlock padlock. Speaking of which, the first day of using the Bogotas I opened all 4 of the Master locks I had around my house with ease. I was eager to try it out on a dead bolt and my back door Schlage lock.

When I did I ran into some problems, and I don't know if this is common or not so you tell me...

First of all, it seems right off the bat the rake and feeler with the tension wrench on the other end is a great design, convenient and all but I can see I am going to need a separate tension wrench. Reason being is because it seems to me that the tension wrench length is too long and it seemed to interfere with the raking leverage more than anything, and not putting it in all the way also seemed to deem it alot less effective than if I had a normal length tension wrench where it just ever so slightly fits in. For instance, I noticed in some videos online some people use their tension wrench on the top side of the key way... there was no way for this to happen with the Bogota's because of the length and it wouldnt stay in otherwise if you tried to leave it only a quarter of the way in lets say. While I was raking it seemed to be getting stuck and binded up inside as a result of the tension portion being too deep inside the keyway.

Secondly, coming from bumping I know how important the amount of pressure is to put on the wrench or bump key. Every so lightly is key with most of the bumping i've done. Dont know the rule for raking or picking, dont know if it changes from say a KS to a SCHL lock etc either. When I was grossly unsuccessful at raking the lock open after the first grueling 30 minutes I tried varying the pressure on it. The thing is, immediately upon beginning to rake the lock I could feel it 'giving way' and the tension wrench turning the keyway so I knew I was setting some pins, and each pin set I could feel the key way again giving way. Plus whenever I decided to reset the wrench I could hear the pins dropping back to place so I know I got some. But the first pin, it to hell I couldnt get set! I tried varying my speed of rake and the way in which I did it, changing from all circular/elliptical motion to up and down to all out sawing FFS in a frenzy of frustration, and last resort to pulling the rake in and out in a fast manner. NOTHING WORKED, except for that ONE TIME and again, it opened the WRONG WAY. Before I realized I raked it the wrong way I was so excited when the key way turned so gently. I thought to myself, VICTORY .. quickly followed by road apples!

To be honest, and again tell me if conventional picks are different in this respect, but it seems that the Bogotas tension wrench is too long and the actual raking portion too short. In other words, it seems to me it could benefit from having atleast 1 more peak/valley so that it spans the actual length of the 5 pins. I felt that this was part of the reason I was unsuccessful in setting the first pin which was very close to the opening of the key way and could be seen by the naked eye.

On a positive note, it opens Master Locks extremely well AND fast. I've never used traditional picks before but I can tell right away that the curve/handle of the Bogota's are certainly much less stressful on the fingers/grip and hands. Although I would have preferred to have had the middle part before or after the curve slightly longer for better/easier grip, and I have been told all the time I have small hands for a guy. (keep your jokes to yourselves fellas! LOL j/k).
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Re: Review: Raimundo's picks

Postby Bob Jim Bob » 31 Jan 2013 7:17

I just picked up a set of these from Serepick and for me they seem to work like magic. I would absolutely recommend a set to anyone who is even thinking about it.

These and my Defcon set from Legion 303 are so much nicer than my beginner set.
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Re: Review: Raimundo's picks

Postby soulsynapse » 9 Jan 2015 17:16

very cool thank you for writing up a review

Does Raimundo still make picks? It seems his account is largely inactive now unless I'm checking incorrectly.
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Re: Review: Raimundo's picks

Postby Valdo » 10 Jan 2015 3:08

[quote="soulsynapse"]very cool thank you for writing up a review

Does Raimundo still make picks? It seems his account is largely inactive now unless I'm checking incorrectly.[/quote]

I think he doesn't come here regularly, but I heard you should be able to contact him on the forum keypicking.
I would also like to order bogotas from him :D
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