Lock Picking Newbie here

[DraconisV]

Hi
i have just only today showed an interset in lock picking so i searched on google and went onto that how stuff works site, it said about the standard deadbolt lock and they explained it but then they said something about the locks with two sets of pin the ones in the top and the bottom(they'd be hard to pick).
And then they said that there are ones with pins located all around the inside of the lock (are those locks unpickable?). I'd just like some help on how to pick locks and what type of locks are padlocks and how to pick them in detail.
(i dont have a pick kit and prbably wont, so can you please explain using items lying around the house).

Thank you.

[marso]

As per a previous one of my posts. Read read read. Then practice practice practice.

Hi nice to see another inexperience lockpicker like myself in here.

I would strongly suggest reading the following thread and have a look around and if you have any more specific questions please feel free to ask.

viewtopic.php?t=588

Information about picks can be found by clicking on Discussion up the top then selecting lockpick manual. Meaning manual lock picks.

A thread is currently running on home made picks please have a read.

viewtopic.php?t=55

RTFM

[DraconisV]

Thanks marso,

I'll be reading this stuff for a while tonight(or should i say this morning).

Thanks again marso and may the locks be with you.

[marso]

Hehe that quote is funny cause its so wrong. Good to see a fellow aussie getting into it. Check out the law section for Sydney to see if ya get the sh!# kicked out of you for having picks in your possession and stuff.

Read as much as you can but dont run before you can walk. I mean read as many posts as you can if you dont understand it kewl. Try to get your hands on an improvised pickset and play with a lock or two. Lots of good practice techniques out there as mentioned in the MIT guide and stuff.

Mind you i am prob speaking cr#@ as its 1am and I need sleep.

[DraconisV]

Hey marso what part of Aus you live in.

I'm kinda sleepy aswell being almost 1am aswell.
I bloddy need sleep but cant get to sleep.

[gishnak]

I would recommend going to
http://www.lysator.liu.se/mit-guide/mit-guide.html
they have pics of the inside of a lock and how the key opens it. It is a online book. Go to chapter 2 to find the right info

[gi cannonfodder]

http://www.capricorn.org/~akira/home/lockpick/

same guide but this is the only way it works for me

[alias]

Hey Draconis,

As Marso said, read and practice, then wash, rinse and repeat....

As for the legality of possessing lockpicks in NSW, the thread that Marso so kindly worked on doesn't seem to have a listing for NSW. I actually PMed Varjeal with the details the other day but I think he headed off on hols before he got a chance to update it.

Here's the deal, so you know where you stand;

NSW CRIMES ACT 1900 - SECT 114
Being armed with intent to commit indictable offence

114 Being armed with intent to commit indictable offence

(1) Any person who:

(b) has in his or her possession, without lawful excuse, any implement of housebreaking or safebreaking, or any implement capable of being used to enter or drive or enter and drive a conveyance,

shall be liable to imprisonment for seven years.

(2) For the purposes of subsection (1) (b) "conveyance" means any cab, carriage, motor car, caravan, trailer, motor lorry, omnibus, motor or other bicycle, or any ship, or vessel, whether decked or undecked, used in or intended for navigation, and "drive" shall be construed accordingly.

Strictly speaking, a hobbyist carrying picks with them could be jailed and effectively it's strict liability - they don't need to prove intent, simply carrying the picks implies intent.

As for actual interpretation, well pretty much all cases of this sort (unless you're caught with picks on a restricted Govt facility for instance) are going to be heard in a local court in front of a magistrate (who have a great deal of discretion in sentencing) so if you're a well groomed, employed professional with a clean record, the chances are you'll get off 'scot free'. On the other hand if you're a shifty looking, unemployed, previously convicted felon, well how does a few years at Her Majesty's pleasure sound?

I am studying law so the advice comes with some background validity but of course its not a guarantee of anything...

Andrew

[maldotcom2]

shall be liable to imprisonment for seven years

OMG, thats tough [/quote]

[val]

Hiya, been trying to find someway of posting something but seems i can only reply - so apologies to the person who started this thread! I found this site a few wks back while looking for info on lock picking sites as a prezzie for the other half, read the info on here and went to order a kit form devon locks which are named on here. They didnt accept card payments and we were off down devon last week so decided we'd pay them a visit instead, lucky we did, there is no shop/premises called devon locks. We eventually found the address given on the web site (for u to post cheques to) a door tucked around behind a newsagents, which nobody answered. All seemed a bit dodgy to me and im very glad that i hadnt sent he cheque off. Just thought id warn anyone who is thinking of buying from these - good luck elsewhere and i shall continue my search! xxx

[WhiteHat]

Devon locks is actually fairly reputable - it's run by a guy on these forums,
but I don't think he actually has a store front - he only does mail order. I
have heard no negative feedback about shipping times or bad service. the
address that you went to was probably his actual house and he may have
been at work....

[Quin]

Yup we are respectable and 100% of our customers agree

We do say on our site that we don't normally allow pickup but if you do we need to know an hour beforehand what your order is because we don't keep any stock on premises and we would need to have someone here waiting for you to arrive. When you called round we were almost certainly collecting goods, posting goods or banking which normally takes 1 or 2 hours each day.

We own the internet access machines in the video shop (front of building) and we have to be very close by in case we're needed. This address is simply handy for us because of the cafe, a post office being 100 yards away and our bank being 200 yards away.

Sorry we weren’t here when you called. If you want to collect again give us notice

[Hojo]

Going back to the first post, I think any lock thats on the market with pins has been picked? Am I correct in thinking this? And most defenatly not with tools just lying around the house, as for the lock with pins all around, Im presuming that to be a Kaba Quatro...and yes, they can be picked