has anyone else seen these videos?!

by **master in training** » 19 May 2005 21:50

i've heard locks on cars are easy to break...and that you should be careful when you pick, go gently, feel what the lock is telling you etc etc...

so i was amazed when i went to this site and watched the videos! http://www.catsdomain.com/locksmith/ls05.htm (click the link, scroll and half way down to the 3 pictures side by side and watch each video).

is it just me or is this guy seriously rough?

on another note, has anyone actually bought from this site before, the pick on this page looks home-made. i found a post by Dr. Dave saying he'd ordered the tubular lock pick from there and would post a review of it, but i never found the review! did i just not look hard enough?

i quite like the look of the tools, even if they do seem to be home made, they look like they're fairly good quality. i might save up some money for tools and try and copy them.

by **stick** » 19 May 2005 22:03

The setting and background noise in the video makes it obvious its a car lock he depends on. :shock:

Neither does he deomnstrate the usage of the half diamond or hook. He just violently rakes/jiggles open the locks he demonstrates. The tool itself looks to be of decent quality. If I wanted a Jacknife type tool, I'd probably go for this one.

by **master in training** » 19 May 2005 22:14

its 4:10am here so i havent got any sound right now, i'll play it again in the morning though

i want the tubular pick more than anything, so i might get the wallet set or just copy it. i just couldnt believe how rough the guy was!

the tool must be amazingly strong to stand up to that kind of abuse, could be worth getting one just to see how good they really are! :lol:

by **Chucklz** » 19 May 2005 22:16

With the amount of tension he used, its a miracle they opened at all.

by **stick** » 19 May 2005 23:44

The tubular "pick" isn't a pick at all. It's a tension wrench. I'd draw a quickie picture in paint like I usually do, but somehow I'm sure it wouldn't work.

Basically, it's a flat piece of steel in this shape.

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One prong goes into the notch in the center post; the other prong presses against the side of the pin opposite the notch. When a turning motion is put on it, it provides the tension you need to pick the lock, one by one.

Of course, that means you'll have to pick it several times to lock and unlock it.

by **stick** » 19 May 2005 23:46

Bah, forgot to add.

Because of the design, the prongs have to relatively short, or else they'd bend, meaning it won't work on any tubular lock in a recessed area. Most tubular locks I've seen have rubber protruding past the area of the lock, rendering this tubular wrench useless.

by **Chucklz** » 19 May 2005 23:51

I got a tubular key cut to 9s with some modification to allow a piece of wire to be used to pick the pins. Then again, I have a Peterson Pro-1.....

by **Mr. Glass** » 20 May 2005 0:18

When you guys say "tubular pick," are you just referring to a "circular tension" tool? I have a great one of these made by HPC. It is spring loaded and can help maintain a more consistant tension for certain locks. (It's great for locks with spool and serrated pins.)

However the pins that stick out of it and create the tension (they are actually roll pins that can be found at any hardware store) and kind of short though, and don't fit well into certain keyways.

They also sell different variations for tulip style door knobs and for automotive keyways with their dust covers. If anyone is interested, I've heard that you can get knockoffs of the HPC ones at SouthOrd.

If anyone wants pix of one and has trouble finding them, PM me and I'll make some scans of mine.

by **Mr. Glass** » 20 May 2005 0:24

This did get me thinking though, SouthOrd also sells fixed tension ones without springs. These would probably be easy for us DIYers to make. They still are a pain to work with though and I would probably be more apt to spend my time trying to make a set of Falle's numbered tension tools.

Oh are those things sweet!!! :wink:

by **stick** » 20 May 2005 0:26

A tubular pick is a pick for tubular locks, not a circular tension tool. Search around.

by **sublime progie** » 20 May 2005 0:30

i bought the wallet set from this site and i have not found how to ust the tubular pick yet. apparently if you just get the tubular pick by itself it comes with a cd on how to use it.

and to clerify the two sizes of tubular picks are aranged in the middle of two warded locks and they look more like this

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but the tool is on both sides one is larger than the other. i would really like to know how it works if anyone could inform me

by **sublime progie** » 20 May 2005 0:34

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sorry the last one looks wierd. it looks like this just ignore the two lines of periods on the bottom left i couldnt get the prongs to stay in place with spaces.

by the way the rest of the set works great maybe needs a little sanding though

by **Mr. Glass** » 20 May 2005 0:43

Yea sorry, I know what you're sayin, I was thinkin of somethin else.

Btw, I just looked at that site, and something is just so unsettling and unprofessional about how the author referrs to this jacknife set as a "lockpicker". Oh well, i guess i am just a purist

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by **biggar101** » 20 May 2005 1:01

that guy was super rough with his lock it looks like the pick might break on you after a couple times of use

by **master in training** » 20 May 2005 3:47

yeah, sorry for using the wrong term, my bad :oops:

in my defence it was going on for 5am though, lol.

stick, i'll have a go at making something with that sort of shape, but i dont have many tools so we'll see how that turns out! thanks for the tip about not making the prongs too long. im a little confused though, does the second prong have to press against a pin?

if it does, how can you pick the lock, surely there'd be more pressure on that one pin, but from the side and when you move the pin, the tool tension would slip.

chucklz, i doubt any locksmiths would be willing to cut a key to 9s for just anyone off the street, if they had any idea about their job they would know its going to be for picking, no locks come with the pins at all 9's.

i'll be off to have a look around south ord and see what they do in the way of fixed tubular tension tools in a minute. that website is the only place i've seen selling that style of tension tool to pick tubular locks and they say its copyrighted or something, so we'll see...

mr glass, have you managed to make any of the falle-safe tension tools yet, they look awesome but i've got no idea where to start making them! i've got a few homemade tools from another member of lp101 and they're awesome, i'd just like the tension tools to go with them and keep them company! :lol:

something else unsettling about the site is how unprofessional it looks! i cant believe they seel that many with a site like that, if i was the owner i'd improve it somehow!

sublime, if i rememeber what the site said, im sure you were supposed to get that CD on how to use it as well, even though you bought the wallet set, although my mind could be playing tricks on me! is the set actually homemade or does it just look that way? did you get the "professional" handle as well, on the site it just looks like a piece of metal with rubber on one side and a massive screw to hold the picks in place!

biggar, i think the pick might break on him after a couple of times used, i think anyone from here would go a lot more gently with it and it would last them a lot longer! if he can pick that aggressively and it not only works but stays in one piece it must be pretty tough.

sorry about the length of the post, i just had something to say to each person, lol!

~ Master in Training ~

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