ISEO ISR6

[raker]

Has anyone out there had any luck with picking the Iseo ISR-6? The problem I am having with mine is that, pin 3 sets very high ( I mean right at the top). And pin 4 sets right at the bottom. Once 3 is set I just cant get around it to set 4,5 & 6. Most of these locks I have examined have at least one pin set this way, i.e. a full depth cut on the key, and it is probably done for this reason.
For those of you that don't know, the Iseo ISR-6 is a dimple pin type lock with 6 pins (4 spool and 2 plain). It is quit common in Spain where I live (sometimes), but I have yet to come across it in the UK.
Meanwhile, I'll get back to my ABUS 5 pin, that still drives me crazy too, but atleast I know it can be done.

[Al]

I have only picked one but had a nightmare with the spool drivers. I spent ages in one direction then it went fairly easily the other.
Sounds like you need to modify your pick to navigate through this lock.

[raker]

Thanks Al. I have been using the Souber tools Multi lock pick set. The pick shaped like a small flag, with a slight bend in it, will almost get that fourth pin down. If it were 0.5mm longer it would do the trick. Problem is, if it were 0.5mm longer I wouldn't be able to get it past the already set third pin (this one definitely sets front to back). As you say this seems to be a case of devising a pick for a particular lock. If I think of something I will post it here. When I get time I shall post a drawing of the keyway in this lock so everyone can see what I am on about

[Eldoc]

Hi raker

Did you try to use impressing system to pick this cylinder?

Bye
Eldoc

[raker]

Hi Eldoc,

If you mean foil impressioning, yes I have tried I originally obtained the lock for the purpose of practicing this tecnique. However it is my belief that the clever placement of the wards in this keyway make this very difficult if not impossible. But then I guess I am a relative "beginner" at this and I am not too disappointed that I cannot, as yet, open what is a "fairly" difficult lock.
I do now have a drawing of the keyway but havn't managed to figure out how to get in my posts. When I do, I.ll get it on here.

Regards, Raker

[Eldoc]

Hello raker

I mean wax impressing, becouse ISEO ISR6 is a low cost and a low quality's cylinder. Probably you know it, anyway i try to explay you shortly the technician. You have a ISR6 key; you drill all the 6 holes of the key at their max deep; fill up holes with hard wax; clean up the key and insert it into cylinder; helped with a pliers move the key in right and left side; slowly pins should be allowed in their right position into the wax and you will can turn the key.
Try and tell me

bye
Eldoc

[sidpick]

Any photos of this lock / key from you folks, sounds interesting!! Like the wax method! the simple methods are always the best!

[raker]

Hi again Eldoc,
Thanks, no I had not thought of wax impressioning, I will give it a try first chance I get and let you know.

Sidpick,
If you let me know your e-mail, I will send you a sketch I have made of the keyway. I have, as yet not figured out how to post pictures. Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated.

[raker]

OK, this is the best I can do as regards pictures. It is a link to a download on the Iseo website. It shows a nice picture of the IS R6, but what it doesn't show is how the wards in the keyway intersect the pin positions. It is this (IMHO) that makes picking, and indeed, impressioning very difficult. I have now made a bump key for this lock, but as yet no luck with that. It could be that my drilling wasn't accurate enough, or more likely that I havn't quite got the tecnique right yet. Off now to search for bumping tutorials

http://www.iseoserrature.it/repository/ ... ?id_doc=36

[raker]

AHA!! I have figured out how to link to pictures. Here is a link to a scale drawing of th IS R6 keyway. The problem I have is getting a pick that can push the pins down to the bottom position (shown in red), especially when there is a pin set in the top position (blue) in front of it

http://tinypic.com/5l3wh1

[Eldoc]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y281/Eldoc/ISEOISR6chiave.jpg

May be usefull these pics?

Bye
Eldoc

[sidpick]

Upon seeing the picture, my first thought would be to overlift all the pins past the shear line, looks like the springs are massive on the picture. Anyone had one apart? or is this picture a bit distorted

[Chucklz]

I dont think the keyway lends it self to overlifting as far as you would have to, looks a bit crowded in there.

[raker]

I dont think the keyway lends it self to overlifting as far as you would have to, looks a bit crowded in there.

Chucklz is right, I have been racking my brains just trying to shape a tool to lift the pins at the back the required distance! Over lifting just does not seem to be an option. I have now made a bump key for this lock, but as yet, have had no luck with it, just getting it snagged on the spools (4). Most frustrating. The worst thing is, where I am intending to work in Spain these locks a fairly common, so I really need to get myself up to the job of opening these without resorting to Mr. Drill ( I'm sure Pinky will agree here ). And then there's all those Kaba Gemini's

[pinky]

the R6 and The gemini are prospects for the bump key, picking is a whole different ball game, the claim is that the new wendt pick gun with dimple attachment does defeat them, waiting on delivery of gun to test this.

Al has alot of success individual pin picking these.

dimples are relitively uncommon in the uk until recent times, so alot of us lockies must now rethink, what with union pin in pin 15 pin keso cylinders hitting the market.

fortuneate that when fitted in sash and dead cases in wood , a few simple by passes exist, but with these its just keep trying. impressioning with wax is an interesting prospect and one il be looking at, as is developing a suitable bump key.