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MOD Approved Learning Provider

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MOD Approved Learning Provider

Postby walkerjr » 28 Apr 2005 4:44

Apologies for bringing this up again, however i just wanted to point out that the BLA, is not recognised by the MOD as an Approved Learning Provider. Having checked the website listing providers, there are three, 24/7 :D , Anvil, and MLA.
Also, not content with that I sopke to a very friendly man in Bicester who also did not have them down as MOD approved. Hope this clears a few things up and there was no intention of starting a riot again.
Fetch the duct tape
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Postby EvoRed » 28 Apr 2005 10:28

Anvil? :lol:
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Postby jongir » 27 May 2005 7:17

Anvil was a guy who trained with Ken from Justlocks&24/7. He's ok with cylinders but aparently not very good with mortice locks. He basically done the justlock course and then started training people stright after his course.
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Postby acl » 27 May 2005 9:16

Well hes not the only one to have done that is he?!! Hes also the guy who offers c+g in locksmithing.
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Postby jongir » 27 May 2005 11:11

he's the only one I know of. but I suppose your right theres probably quite a few out there. I'd like to know he managed to get C&G certified
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Postby carloski » 1 Jun 2005 13:09

regarding the bla, iv just had a letter asking if i want to join them, i filed the letter in the shredder
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MOD Approved Training Courses

Postby Bump » 1 Jun 2005 14:12

Regarding MOD approved/C&G certification locksmithing courses; having completed one of these (won't mention which one so as to avoid provoking personal comment) I would like to offer this as my pennyworth on the matter.
The MOD only recognises those courses that offer Level 3 skills as defined by the ELC scheme (A level equivelent). That basically means that the applicant has to submit to, and be inspected by, the ELC authority; the same goes for a C&G award. It doesnt matter if you think this is a con, the fact of the matter is that an awarding body is satisfied that the syllabus skills outlined comply with the criteria for award; worthless or not. Those courses offering C&G certification gain easier access to the ELC scheme because of a presumed status and, abracadabra, the MOD will release funds which in turn attracts service leavers.

I agree, the courses offered will not qualify you to operate as a locksmith, nor do they pretend to. They do, however give a basic insight into the techniques and leave the rest up to the candidate to decide wether they are going to be honest and upfront or a cowboy driller.

Now is the time to ask " Who does provide adequate training?" The MLA will charge just as much as the rest of the world to get you to the same manual skills level. OK you might better understand how a lock works but short of a crisp grand, you still won't be able to pick a lock until you've deposited a futher sum which, in total, is not far short of the cost of private courses. (And the MLA is not recognised by the ELC)

Unless we have a regulated authority with structured and progressive training that is recognised by an awarding body; where peer supervision (apprenticeships/candidate training) is affordable, then we cannot complain about operators who bother to submit syllabi get approvals and set up training shops.

Since completing my course I have spent hours practising and developing my skills, I would love to be competent enough to join the BLI but until I can find two sponsors it seems that I shall have to wait. How did I find out about the MLA/BLI? Information given to me on my course.

Sorry to have gone on! :wink:
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Postby 79commando » 1 Jun 2005 15:08

One good thing about training providers offering made up qualifications is that they charge a rediculous sum of money; this limits the amount of people prepared to pay. This leads to less Locksmiths setting up etc. I only feel sorry for those parting with the money when the public become aware that there is no such qualification. Will it lead to them looking like cowboys or what?

PS. Check out the City and Guilds web site for recognised qualifications before parting with your cash as up my way trading standards have been made aware and will investigate any company advertising fictitious certifications. Trust me the competition will be too happy to drop you in it.

It is about time all trading locksmiths were police checked and held a recognised qualification gained from an approved training body; be they MLA, BLI or Micky Mouse and sons. If everyone on this site annoyed their local MPs it may happen.
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Re: MOD Approved Learning Provider

Postby taylorgdl » 7 Sep 2005 15:56

walkerjr wrote:Apologies for bringing this up again, however i just wanted to point out that the BLA, is not recognised by the MOD as an Approved Learning Provider. Having checked the website listing providers, there are three, 24/7 :D , Anvil, and MLA.
Also, not content with that I sopke to a very friendly man in Bicester who also did not have them down as MOD approved. Hope this clears a few things up and there was no intention of starting a riot again.


Just been to courses4forces website for the list of approved providers, but none of the above seam to be listed.

Anyone got any better info ?
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Postby pinky » 7 Sep 2005 16:10

try quest on line
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Postby al25027 » 8 Sep 2005 16:12

MLA are currently the only provider
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Postby 79commando » 10 Sep 2005 12:28

Anvil are not on the course4forces list but they are on the list for Enhanced Learning Credits.
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