Rim Locks

[jongir]

Help Required!

I've got a customer who is a DJ. He lives in a block of flats, the ones that have storage rooms in the bottom landing. He keeps his DJ kit in this room. For insurance purposes he has been told to fit a BS lock to the door. The door is just a basic door for these rooms and not thick enough to hold a mortice lock. It has a basic Rim lock on it. I've seen kits for these doors in duffels. Basically its a steel holder so youcan fit a BS mortice lock to it. actually its produced directly for the 3g114. But will this still hold its rating if it is in this, and/or does anyone have any other ideas, without changing the door.

[Shrub]

Put a bs rim lock on,

The lock boxes as far as i know do keep the locks bs gradeing but i would ask your client to ring his insurance and get them to put in writeing that it is ok to use one,

Sorry no further help but an idea or 2 to get you going.

[jongir]

never seen a BS rim lock before. I've looked in all my suppliers catalogues and never seen one. Where do you get them from?

[jongir]

Sorry I might not have made myself clear It's a shed door basically and the insurance want a BS mortice lock on it.

[Shrub]

If the insurance realise its a shed i am supprised they are asking for a bs lock on,

Only guessed at a bs rim lock, i havent used one myself but surely there must be one somewhere, perhaps a bs padlock would suffice if its a shed,

[MrB]

If the door is thin and flimsy, you might need the building management to upgrade the door before you upgrade the lock. Otherwise the size 9 pick is going to work whatever lock is fitted. Your customer would probably prefer his kit doesn't get stolen in the first place, rather than the hassle of dealing with claim forms, loss adjusters and time delays getting replacements.

[Rockford]

As MrB states, it's highly unlikely your average yob is going to waste time picking whatever door lock you put on the door - particularly if the door is flimsy to start with. Pointless exercise - find somewhere else to store the equipment, or upgrade the storage (sell him a nice new security door !)

The guy is looking for your "professional" advice. If he gets turned over by someone caving the door in, with the nice new lock untouched - who's he going to look to for answers ?.

If you proceed, put your recommendations in writing, and get him to sign the document to acknowledge he's understood them - and any likely consequences.

[jongir]

Hi, I get your point, but it's not like a normal shed it's inside a close of a bock of flats and the door isnt that flimsy. It's actually quite solid. To tell you the truth if it wasn't for the insurance company, I think he would just leave it as it is. I've already suggested he fit a proper door but he just aint interested. Because the room is actually a brick building it will hold a proper door but he doesn't want to know. I tried to phone chubb and get comfirmation on the 3g114 holder but I couldn't get through. I've told him to phone his insurance company up and ask them. I'll just have to wait and see what they say.

[quicklocks]

[jongir]

Thanks Quick, I'll wait to see what his insurance company says. But I will do a secure plan for the door, fitting more than 1 lock and we'll see if they'll accept that.

I found this site last week, and since then I found I have had a wealth of information to look at. In fact I think my brain might explode. All I can say is keep up the good work to all members and moderators.

[MrB]

I can't help thinking that if people see a door decorated with all sorts of different locks and padlocks, it's going to be like an open invitation to break the door down. Someone will think the door has got the crown jewels behind it.

I would go with subtle but secure. Fit appropriate reinforcements to door and strike, hingebolts and a strong lock.

[Shrub]

Tell him to buy a bigger house or put all his cleaning stuff in there and keep his dj stuff in the house

[vector40]

Marc MacYoung describes a way to brace your jam with a steel strip here http://nononsenseselfdefense.com/homesecurity.html (scroll down to tip #5).

[oldlock]

Help Required!

I've got a customer who is a DJ. He lives in a block of flats, the ones that have storage rooms in the bottom landing. He keeps his DJ kit in this room. For insurance purposes he has been told to fit a BS lock to the door. The door is just a basic door for these rooms and not thick enough to hold a mortice lock. It has a basic Rim lock on it. I've seen kits for these doors in duffels. Basically its a steel holder so youcan fit a BS mortice lock to it. actually its produced directly for the 3g114. But will this still hold its rating if it is in this, and/or does anyone have any other ideas, without changing the door.

To answer your question to have to read the british standard which (from memory) requires that the lock be fitted " as tested " ie installed in a solid door at least 44 mm thick with the fixings supplied. So as soon as you modify the installation in any way the BS3621 is lost.

The rim plates others mention are available from Nigel Rose & others and allow you to surface mount the lock. As such this will automatically not comply.

The only way I would touch this job is to replace the door & install decent locks to it - but it may not satisfy his insurance whatever you do as he will be storing high vallue goods outside his home.

paul

[jongir]

Hi
I thought that if I used a modified method then it would render the BS useless. However it may be out side the flat but it is in the building. It's a storage room at the bottom of the flats. It was the insurance company that stated which lock is to be fitted, so I guess they know where it is being kept.