engineering detail drawing for picks ?

[heckpiet]

Hi everybody,

i had allready used the search function and google, but no result.

I'm searching some engineering detail drawing for Lockpicking Tools.
I will try made some on my own.

Very helpfull will be the sizing of the diffrent picks.
Maybe someone has build some,too.

Greetings

Piet

[Shrub]

You wont find proper working drawings unfortunatley (if you do send me a link) but second best is templates and you will find hundreds of these all over site,

As a suggestion have a search for Zeke's site details have a read for the passwords and have a look on there, loads of templates good enough for making your own picks,

A good tip raimondo gives is to measure homemade picks against a working key to check its of good proportions.

[skold]

Hi everybody,

i had allready used the search function and google, but no result.

I'm searching some engineering detail drawing for Lockpicking Tools.
I will try made some on my own.

Very helpfull will be the sizing of the diffrent picks.
Maybe someone has build some,too.

Greetings

Piet

Which program and format would you like..i could try my hand at creating some on Autodesk Inventer, IronCAD or QuikDraw.

[Shrub]

Skold,

If you can do it as a cad it should be able to be viewed with most software, best would be a jpeg of a cad

[skold]

Yeah i can turn CAD into JPEG... no problems

[zeke79]

skold,

would it help you any if I scanned all of the picks I have in as a pdf to scale to you can insert them into a cad drawing and do your work from there?

[skold]

possibly

[zeke79]

It would be a huge time consuming process to scan all of my picks if its not going to help so if you can find out before hand please do.

[wtf|pickproof?]

if you scan your pick please don't forget to scan a ruler with it, so it can be scaled properly.
Anyways, in my opinion it would be not actually be a waste of time but it's not nessecary due to the sheer mass of photos of picks on LP101.

On the other hand, if there was a good template for making picks to post in the FAQ this would help out a lot of newbies.

I for one started with copying of my bought picks (but sizeing down the handles so they fit in my wallet) After that one should have quit a good feeling of how large a pick should be.

Useing keys as templates, as suggested by raimundo, works well for me too.

my €0,2

wtf|pickproof?

[Shrub]

I think zeke was meaning that it would be a waste of time for him to scan all his picks for this purpose if they couldnt be used for the CAD drawings as it takes quite a long time to scan a lot of items.

[Chrispy]

It doesn't take that long to scan your picks, just line em up side by side. It took me one go to scan (photocopy actually) about 15 (I think...) picks. Once they've been scanned/copied just cut each pick in Photoshp and paste as new image. They should retain the same dimensions.

Example:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y246/Chrispy_187/ChrispyPickTemplates.jpg

P.S. This is an old scan. Some of these picks have been fixed up and new ones created as well. I should get around to scanning my current set..... abolut 25 in total.

[Shrub]

Ok im not starting an argument,

1)To scan somthing as a file to be used as a cad drawing you have to have space inbetween the objects so you can find the outline edge so yes you can lay them side by side but need to have a space between them, it is obvious you dont scan one pick at a time,

2)I am sure zeke is a busy guy as most of us are, if it takes 10 mins to scan a set of picks (turn pc on, load software, scan object, save object, send object, turn pc off) and its of no use i would be upset as well,

3)If i was to scan my picks in it would take a while as i have so many, lined up side by side would still take half a day to scan them all in and im sure zeke is simular,

As you can see, it CAN and probably WILL take some time for him to scan all his picks in and if skold can not use them then yes it would have been a waste of time.

Have your spoon back as i think feeding has finished now.

[Chrispy]

Ok im not starting an argument,

We call it a discussion

1)To scan somthing as a file to be used as a cad drawing you have to have space inbetween the objects so you can find the outline edge so yes you can lay them side by side but need to have a space between them, it is obvious you dont scan one pick at a time,

There is space between them.

2)I am sure zeke is a busy guy as most of us are, if it takes 10 mins to scan a set of picks (turn pc on, load software, scan object, save object, send object, turn pc off) and its of no use i would be upset as well,

3)If i was to scan my picks in it would take a while as i have so many, lined up side by side would still take half a day to scan them all in and im sure zeke is simular,

You can't be that busy. 10 mins is not a very long time. Half a day? That's a lot of picks. Got about 600 picks then eh?

Have your spoon back as i think feeding has finished now.

That's not very nice. I want to see these CAD drawings as much as anyone. Actually, I might get SirSeth to draw some up. He's CAD proficient

By the way, I'm not starting an argument ( ), just participating in the discussion. But you do have a point, scanning is a tedious process when there are lots of items involved.

[Shrub]

Ok i didnt want it to turn into a heated discussion,

Ok, space between is good and your link didnt come up when i posted, sorry,

Yes i probably have got 600 + picks to be honest, and yes i am that busy at the moment to do somthing that isnt needed,

The point was nothing to do with cad drawings, that was already deemed a good idea and progress is being done in a number of areas from a number of members,
The point was that zeke asked skold if a scan of all his picks would help the process of drafting a set of cad drawings as if it wasnt he would not bother doing somthing for no reason at all, a statergy most people follow (why fix somthing that isnt broken comes to mind)

Now its fair enough if you want to spend what ever time it takes to scan all your picks (yes it will take a day or 2 for the amount a trading lockie has) and if of no use, for no reason at all, but i will not. I buy a car once i know i can insure it, i dont buy a car and then find out the insurance is to expensive,

I am actually CAD trained and a qualified draftsman but on somthing like a lockpick it really is needless to have somthing so acurite, a template is more than sufficent but i understand some will cherish such files, there is no issue with that, it was just a comment on how to get to that conclusion,

The comment about the spoon was because it seemed as if more explaining was needed to understand the TWO issues on this thread, obviously i was wrong and it was shed loads of more explaining that needed to be done of which now its done i hope is cleared up.

The question still remains though,
Is a scanned picture of any use to someone making a CAD drawing of the same subject?
My answer is no as someone proficient on CAD will find it a hinderance.

Its only my opinion.

[Chrispy]

All good. Would the CAD drawings be of any use? Maybe to send to one of those (darn, what would you call it...) ahhhh.... websites where you can send a CAD of a certain part needed for a machine, etc. to their email and they send you the part after making it on various metal lathes, etc.

Maybe creating some CADs of the best performing picks and sending them off to receive a complete custom made set. I know that some hacksaw blades, a grinder, dremel and some man hours in the garage will accomplish the same thing, but if you didn't actually want to make them yourself and didn't want to buy a set, it could be a good option. A nice custom made set with all your favourite picks and all you have to do is send an email and charge your credit card. Hmmm.... just a thought.