falle picks

by **macgyver** » 10 Dec 2003 15:28

I was wondering if anyone knows what the falle-safe deep curve picks are used for. i looked on www.crypto.com but it didnt give a very good description on what they are for. any info would be great. thanks

by **Zelgadis** » 19 Dec 2003 2:09

I was wondering if anyone knows what the falle-safe deep curve picks are used for.

To pick locks.

DonÂ´t pretend to find any other use to them. :wink:

Regards.

by **macgyver** » 25 Dec 2003 20:20

no sh*t they are to pick locks. :evil:

what i mean is what locks are they used on, ive never seen any info on this type of pick. there is all kinds of stuff on how to use a hook, but not any info on the deep curve picks. are they used the same way as a hook or are they more for counting or feeling pins?

by **CitySpider** » 25 Dec 2003 22:54

They're just goofy looking hooks, that's all.

by **macaba** » 26 Dec 2003 4:12

Basically, the deep curve avoids any pins in the middle that sets high, but still allows nice picking control, with ease as the top of the hook pushes agaist the top of the cylinder, so when you push upwards, you push the pin down. This differs from picks with a straight tang and hook on the end as you have to push down on the whole handle, not to mention its more difficult to advoid a middle high-setting pin.

I'm sure someone would beg to differ, all opinions welcome!

by **macgyver** » 26 Dec 2003 16:19

very helpful, thanx for the info.

by **raimundo** » 4 Jan 2005 15:35

Macabas right, except as he expressed it, it made more sense to visualize this in a pins down euro cylinder. the thing fulcrums off the belly of the curve and lifts the pins, but obviously it only does this on the deepest half of them. Recently I have been experimenting with short radius hooks and hooks that have an angle rather than a curve, this makes me think that there might be a place for a mid range curve, half the length of falles, with possibly a sharper curve toward the working end. In fact, if you think about the 'king' and 'queen' this is probably part of what these two picks do, I have never made either of these, as it always seemed to me that they were no more likely to fit a lock than two tryout keys, but of course, they are picks, so its the ability to move around in the keyway that makes them more useful than tryout keys.

by **sidpick** » 2 Jun 2005 17:37

Might be apt to include today's little project on this thread!!

Alas today I snapped another falle rake (there a little bit aggressive!)
So:

Templates from the king and queen thread were placed onto the 'carcass' of the pick

I then marked it up and grinded it out:

And I now have the only falle king and queen pick (that I know of!!) in the world:

Works pretty good, raked open a EVVA cylinder, picked a couple of yales - it did need some assistance from a diamond pick but all in all, pretty impressed with the pick, needs a polish and finshing but it was a fitting tribute to the years of service my falle rake gave me

by **Chrispy** » 2 Jun 2005 17:43

Nice. Well done

by **Ben WV** » 6 Jun 2005 18:26

The really deep hook are for lever tumbler locks. They'll hardly even fit into a pin tumbler keyway. Every lever tumbler that I've picked required a grotesquely high lifter. There are no wards to worry about after all.

by **eric343** » 7 Jun 2005 14:39

I don't think so... the Falle kit that I have has special lever-lifters that are at right angles and very thin.

My understanding was the deep curves are for locks with little to no keyway warding, where they can be used instead of normal picks and the curve becomes a fulcrum so the whole pick levers the pin up. More useful for security pins than anything else, I think -- or if you're the kind of guy that uses too much tension and needs lots of force to lift the pins.

What I'm curious about is how you folks are using the Falle rakes. I've had zero success with them...

by **bwells** » 7 Jun 2005 16:19

Just a little info on the talked about Falle pick set.

BASIC PICKING KIT

SYSTEM CAPABILITIES

The Falle-Safe Basic Picking Kit is more than just a set of picking tools. The kit has been specifically designed to make picking both easier and quicker than other tools, and contains many items, which are unique to Falle-Safe Securities. When used correctly the tools contained in this kit will enable the user to open approximately 95% of all 5 & 6 Pin Tumbler Locks. The kit also contains a set of Lever Lock Picks, which are effective on all tensionable 2 & 3 Lever Locks. These tools have been designed for use by professional entry technicians who fully understand the picking principal.

SYSTEM LIMITATIONS

The limitations of these tools are governed solely by the skill level of the user and the amount of time he dedicates to practice. Personally, we have defeated many high security locking mechanisms including Ingersoll and Kaba by using the tools contained in this kit. There are of course many limitations to the picking procedure. The fact that the procedure does not produce a key and that the user requires an uninterrupted period of time to use the method will naturally make other techniques more suitable. However, a well-trained user with good skills will be confident that these tools will do the job in those situations where other methods are not possible.

OPENING SPEED

With good training and adequate practice the user should be able to open most locks in under 5 minutes of uninterrupted time.

KIT CONTENTS

The Basic Pick Set contains 50 x different items as listed below.
6 x Fixed Tension Tools (all different and unique to Falle-Safe).
4 x Variable Tension Tools (all different and unique to Falle-Safe).
16 x Strip Tension Tools in 4 x different widths, 8 x straight & 8 x twisted.
1 x Lever Lock Tension Tool (unique to Falle-Safe).
4 x Lever Lock Picks ( all different and unique to Falle-Safe).
6 x Deep Curve Picks (unique to Falle-Safe).
3 x Progressive Curve Picks (all different).
3 x Graduated Curve Picks ( all different).
4 x Thin Curve Picks 2 x each of two different designs.
3 x Rakes (all different).

by **eric343** » 7 Jun 2005 16:35

Aha! Someone who knows what he's doing!

Bernard, welcome to our humble forum.

Could you give us some information on the "official" way to use the deep-curve and rake picks that we're wondering about?

by **cracksman** » 7 Jun 2005 19:11

Bwells not to be a pain, but if your gonna quote could you leave a link and credit-thx

Link-interesting site
http://www.safeventures.com/

Unsure if they will sell to hobbyist but you can drop them a line-good deal on that set though

by **cracksman** » 7 Jun 2005 19:12

Oh, sorry, look under basic picking set on left

falle picks

falle picks

long radius hooks,

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