Difficulty to pick Sargent and Best locks

by **Wade** » 8 Jun 2005 1:23

I have been picking for about a month and have picked Sargent and Best locks. Are these fairly hard to pick for a newb, or am I just lucky?

by **vector40** » 8 Jun 2005 2:17

They're certainly up there; most people rank them among the top shelf of "ordinary" pin tumblers in terms of picking challenge. BEST also has the added pain of being, most all of the time, an SFIC system, which means you've got two shearlines in every pin stack and if you get the wrong one, you're SOL.

by **Wade** » 8 Jun 2005 13:10

DO YOU MAEN THAT ONCE YOU PICK IT IT ROTATES THE PLUG A LITTLE, THEN THE PINS RESET?

by **quickpicks** » 8 Jun 2005 13:28

No. There is one control key shear line and one operating shear line. The control key shear line deactivates the sidebar which allows the removal of the cylinder. The operating shear line is to disengage the bolt/ locking mechanism.

by **Wade** » 9 Jun 2005 23:54

what is a sidebar?

by **digital_blue** » 10 Jun 2005 0:12

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&lr=&oi=defmore&q=define:Sidebar

All that, and yet none of it tells you that a sidebar is a mechanism which is in some locks (often high security locks) that prevents the rotation of the plug unless the correct key is inserted (or unless it is picked, of course). It is sometimes the active locking mechanism, and sometimes works in conjunction with a set of tumblers or wafers to provide additional security (as in the Medeco setup).

This might help you understand. http://www.acpi.org/gifs/medeco.gif

Cheers!

db

by **vector40** » 10 Jun 2005 1:01

... basically it's a bar on the side.

by **Chrispy** » 10 Jun 2005 5:22

hence... sidebar..... :lol:

by **HeadHunterCEO** » 10 Jun 2005 9:42

a side bar is just something else to drop on the floor and lose when you rekey

by **vector40** » 10 Jun 2005 16:38

Poor headhunter. He always seems so put upon.

by **Wade** » 11 Jun 2005 18:12

is the sidebar something that also has to be picked?

by **digital_blue** » 11 Jun 2005 18:39

Wade wrote:is the sidebar something that also has to be picked?

Well, yes and no. The sidebar will prevent the plug from turning. That is true in every case. How the sidebar gets retracted will vary from lock to lock. Some sidebars work in conjunction with an entirley separate set of pins or wafers. A Medeco sidebar, however, is an example of a sidebar that works in conjuntion with the main set of pins. In the case of the medecos, the sidebar can only engage when the pins are rotated to the correct position to allow the gates on the side of the pins to line up. Different locks employ sidebars in different ways, so there is no easy answer. But one way or another, yes, the sidebar must be "picked" in order to open the lock.

Hope this helps!

db

by **vector40** » 11 Jun 2005 23:56

Occasionally the sidebar is the ONLY locking mechanism, though, as is the case, I gather, with GM auto locks (don't quote me on that, I'm a putz).

by **CaptHook** » 13 Jun 2005 3:21

deactivates the sidebar

There is NO sidebar. It is a lug on the control sleeve that hooks behind the face of the shell, locking the core in the shell. Has absolutely NOTHING to do with the plug turning or not turning ( when the pins are set to the correct shearline)
Folks.......Please learn how icores work, it will make "teaching" them to others easier...... :shock:

Chuck

Difficulty to pick Sargent and Best locks

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