Buying picks in New zealand...plz help

[Whodunnit!?]

hi, i'm a 15 year old who has got into the hobby of lockpicking. I have made a set of 7 picks using a second hand grinder, but now im interested in buying a set of lockpickshop picks.

Does any1 know the new zealand laws about ordering and recieving picks?

P.S. The 'laws post' doesn't cover n.z. so don't tell me to look there.

Thx

[Chrispy]

I used to live in NZ and still have my citizenship/passport. The answer to your question can be found here:

http://www.legislation.govt.nz

It'll be in there somewhere, hidden in all the mumbo jumbo that is legislation . Look through Statutes, prob the Crimes Act or something similar. Hope this helps.

If not, you could try ordering something from a site and asking that it is not posted with any markings or description, or even company name that would let customs know that it is a lockpick set. Just to be safe.

[Whodunnit!?]

Thx, i found them.

Correct me if im wrong, but does this say that i can go to jail for up to 3 years if they prove i have intent to burglarize houses.(or confiscate my picks) also, what proof can i show that clears me as a hobbyist?


233.Being disguised or in possession of instrument for burglary—



(1)Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years who, without lawful authority or excuse,—


(a)has in his or her possession any instrument capable of being used for burglary with intent to use it for such a purpose; or



(b)has his or her face covered or is otherwise disguised with intent to commit any crime.



(2)If any person is convicted of being in possession of an instrument for burglary, the Court may, if it thinks fit, order the instrument to be forfeited to the Crown or disposed of as the Court directs at the expense of the convicted person, and may order the person to pay any reasonable cost incurred by the Commissioner of Police in retaining the instrument.]

[Chrispy]

Wearing dark clothing (including gloves) with a backpack containing lockpicks, glass cutters and carrying any sort of weapon would indicate intent.

Trespassing with lock picks in your possession indicates intent.

Being out in public after 9pm with lockpicks in your possession would indicate intent.

Wearing a "Auckland Locksmiths" shirt, carrying a toolbox on your way to a job having lockpicks in your possession would not indicate intent.

It's a line which police officers can often blur to make their case. If you are a teenager and carrying lockpicks (unless a locksmith apprentice and it can be proved) you may still be charged in you cannot prove that you have them (lockpicks) in your possssion for a valid reason. You must be very careful when carrying locksmiths in public. Very, very careful....

[master in training]

Ask whoever you're buying them from to package it unmarked to try and avoid customs problems, then once they arrive at your house, keep them there! that way you cant be arrested for carrying picks. simple.

[pun1sher]

yea, that's what i do, but in PA i'm supposed to get in trouble just or posession!can you belive that bull&%$#!!!

[digital_blue]

When I've receive orders from lockpickshop.com they have come discretely marked with the customs documents indiciating "Hand tools" or something like that.

I would say you're probably pretty safe to order them, but once you have them keep them at home. Don't bring them to school to show off. Don't keep them on you when you're out and about. Just have them at home and you should be fine.

Happy picking!

db

[cracksman]

Chrispy wrote:

You must be very careful when carrying locksmiths in public. Very, very careful....

Yes, this can be dangerous, some people suggest carrying them by their tool belts, however, I would suggest letting them walk on their own.

[digital_blue]

. You must be very careful when carrying locksmiths in public. Very, very careful....

Yes, especially if they're kicking.

[Chrispy]

Ahem..... lockpicks.....

[Whodunnit!?]

So will picks that my dad orders count as being in his possesion when in the mail?

The set that i made is functional enough anyway, i think might keep most at home, but one discrete hook pick somewhere where it might come in handy.

afterall, i've never in my life been stopped by police, and i dought that i ever will.


P.S. 'handy' doesnt mean stealing, i just dont want to be caught with my pants down, if you know what i mean.

[helix]

With Aussie cops, just being 15 is intent to burglarize.
.. let alone with picks on you! haha.

[Chrispy]

With Aussie cops, just being 15 is intent to burglarize.
.. let alone with picks on you! haha.