Key Both Ways

[skilless]

I'm learning this at home for a bit of fun

i'm trying it on the house lock 5pin (i think) old lockwood, with a normal key you can turn it both ways so does this mean that the tension can be applied any direction too?

As long as i dont skrub and dont use much pressure what is the chance of me fu*king the lock? (dont wont to have to explain that ;0)

And in the picture below is the top half of the key hole (wrench would be lower)
But does the pickever go below the L part? or do you try to keep it wedged on the little ledge??

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[skilless]

sorry my bad ASCII art did not work but you must know what i mean

there is a slot where the pins are then the hole goes in an L shape, do you ever go below the L (you get more leverage if you rest the pick on the L)

[kspec]

well you could rest it on the l part. but if your pick will have to be very slim and you have to hope the pins dont have a deep pin then a shallow one...

I suggest that i you seem to NEED that much leverage thet you are applying TOO much torque. if you made your own picks you could use the search function and look at some of my posts. I got some good info and some picks that can help you out on your designs. happy picking

[Shrub]

Use the search function for all your questions!

They have all been answered before and any info you will need to continue your hobby have already been answered in the FAQ sections on site, use the search button before posting anything or else these will be the nicest replys you will recieve.

[skilless]

Yeah i read the FAQ before i posted (and other stuff) but it does not say if you use the L part of the lock for pick leverage (i know you dont now).

Actually i dont think i saw it say if you can use the torque in both directions if the key works in both directions (i would say it's ok).

If you are going to make a post like that Shrub you can at least tell me what to search for ;0)

Thanks for the help kspec

[master in training]

Well Euro locks turn both ways, but one way is to lock it and one to unlock it, so you will need a plug spinner to turn it the right way and open the lock.

As for resting on the L bit, it might be ok, but basically, you need tiny amounts of tension, so to lift the pins should be extremely easy, you shouldn't need leverage, I suggest you get a lock you have the key to and put your tension wrench through the hole in the key and use the wrench to turn the key and open the lock, it will let you see how much tension you actually need (I was suprised when I first tried this), its actually a very small amount.

Now have a read around, particularly the FAQ's, pretty much anything you could need should be there.

Have fun! Good luck,

~ MiT ~

[fixer]

sorry my bad ASCII art did not work but you must know what i mean

HTML doesn't have a concept of text formatting with spaces. Unless you tell it otherwise, it removes leading spaces and multiple spaces when it is displayed (rendered) on you local machine.

So, when you use ascii art in these forums, you have to tell the system that the text is pre-formatted. The easiest way is to use the 'code' tag around your art. For example :-

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Hope this helps you and others with simple diagrams.

[fixer]

I'm learning this at home for a bit of fun

i'm trying it on the house lock 5pin (i think) old lockwood, with a normal key you can turn it both ways so does this mean that the tension can be applied any direction too?

Some locks are easier to pick even if you are going in the 'wrong' direction. As has been mentioned previously, you then need a plug spinner to turn the cylinder in the right direction.

[zekeo]

If you can turn the key both ways, you can pick both ways. You can rest your pick on the "L" part of the keyway--the only drawback is you might lose some feedback. If you have no security pins, though, you should be fine. The chances of screwing up your lock are pretty slim, as long as you aren't really attacking it.

[Shrub]

skilless,

You already know what to search for as you have posted the question,

You are the one wanting the answers,
You are the one asking the questions,
You type the question in the search instead of posting a topic,
If you get to many results use less words,
Sorry i cant be any more specific than that,

Some days i spoon feed newbies and on others i cant be bothered, you caught me on a cant be bothered day,

[skilless]

Thanks guys that was some good help. I heard that the old lockwoods are a bit shit to learn on so i'll still have to decide if i want to get a crap lock or something that takes some skill.

Shrub when was the last time you were bothered to help someone? ;0)
I know nothing here but on the HL2, RC Drift and StencilRevolution forums i have given help to a lot of people so i know what you are saying but i never bothered to tell anyone to use the search option because it is a waste of both of our time. I dont like hearing the same question 100 times but if you dont like it the best thing to do is just not post (less stress ;0).

Thanks again i think i'm out of questions - oh, is it possible to impression with an aluminium key (i know it said not to but anyone done it?)

[Shrub]

Skill less,

If you click on my profile icon and then click on search for all posts by shrub you will see how much help i offer and how often i give it,

Unfortunatley yes i do get sick of the same old posts but as you will see more often than not i still take the time to help newbies,

I am supprised i had to tell you to use the search button if you are a member of so many other sites, you surley could have found the info yourself if you are so called forum literate,

The search button is not a waste of time and is very useful for members to find stuff on site, when you get to the 1000th question that week on where to buy picks you tend to reply to all the simple questions from newbies to use the search button as most including you (by the look of your posts) cant be bothered to look first and just prefer to post a new thread instead of 5 mins reading, thats just lazyness and deserves no other reply than 'use the search button',

I would understand you having a go if all i do is flame newbies but as i say look at my posts and you will see you havent a clue,

If you had used the search button before posting not only would you have got the answer to your questions quicker and easier but you may have also noticed other important facts like, you do not pick locks that do not belong to you or ones which are in use ie your front door lock,

Someone who sits there and just reads is probably better educated than someone who keeps jumping in asking questions, when i first visited this site (a long time ago) i sat there for weeks just reading every post on every thread and never even joined up for a long time and you know what, the time spent doing that made me just as knowledgable as the next person on here and everything seemed to make sence and all the techniques and terms fell into place and i found all my questions had already been answered,

I will click the 'stop watching this thread' icon now as im not going to get drawn into a another fight so will not see any reply but i suggest in future you show members who know just a little more than you a little more respect.

Sorry to the regular members for this post but im not having some jumped up little kid telling me i dont help people.

[Shrub]

While im at it, location Earth, higly original, it wont be long before you get everyone asking where you are as all the questions you are going to ask in the next few weeks will rely on where you actually live not which planet.

[skilless]

This has been fun, i wish you would keep watching this thread!
But what i should have said is on a large site like this it is obvious that some people (new people) wont look through 3-15 pages of a search.

Earth as a location may not be original but it is from one of the most popular (USA - to help) comedy's in the last 10 years so if you can guess then respect ;0)

Hey i may be "jumped up" but i am no little kid thanks !
And i would love to look through your posts but there is 25+ pages of them so i will have to get some drugs or your life ;0)

So are 20 of the 25 pages the same as this?
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Sorry- anyone know about that specific impressioning question?

[skilless]

Well as Shrub loves a double post ;0)

If i have mentioned lockwood locks in this post and several others does that not tell you where i live?

I may be wrong but i think it is time to start reading the post Shrub