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Decoding

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Decoding

Postby hozer2k » 10 Jan 2004 2:28

After you have picked a lock, I am sure there is a way to decode it so you can make a key from it. Other than special tooling, are there any good and relatively easy methods for doing this?

I was thinking you could even get something that softens with heat that you insert, then release the pins back to their original position. If needed you could use a small shim to push the pins up if it locks on you.
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Postby piecrust » 10 Jan 2004 12:58

Sounds like u trying for something like ::

http://www.multipick-service.com/en/start_en.htm


But a bit |CHeaper :D
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Postby hozer2k » 10 Jan 2004 13:41

Which are you talking about, the link is general..

But yes, I am looking for something more along the lines of home made. My goal is to only use tools I can make myself.
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Postby joecool2727 » 10 Jan 2004 20:03

couldnt you just use some clay or something and stick it into the lock after it has been picked and that will give you the correct heights of the pins? or do you need something better than just clay.
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Postby hozer2k » 10 Jan 2004 21:14

Dont know, but my thinking is that if you do that it will be difficult to get it out without damaging the clay and the impression. I am looking for methods that have been proven to work, maybe you can use clay though?
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Postby Chucklz » 10 Jan 2004 22:10

I have something that I'd like to throw out here, I have never tried it, and I can see several theoretical limitaions in it, but it probably could yield a key after a few minutes. I suggest making a modified set of depth keys. In this set, there would be no spacings... just depth. So there would be no "peaks" just a flat blank at all of the standard depth levels. You pick the lock, and by insertion, its fairly easy to determine the depth of the first pin. Lets say, for the sake of this that you have a 5 pin lock keyed 64755. You determine that the first pin is 6. You cant insert the 6 key all the way into the lock, so you know that theres a pin thats at a greater depth. Feeling with your pick, you can determine that its the third pin. So at this point you KNOW that the key must be 6x(7,8,9)xx. Probing the second pin with your pick, you can discover that its something smaller than the 6 that is the first pin. So you can get 6(0,1,2,3,4,5)(7,8,9)xx. Now if you go to the 7 key, you find that you can insert it completely into the lock. This confirms that the 3rd pin is indeed 7. and that the 4th or 5th pins cannot be 8 or 9. Now you have the following possibilites 6(0,1,2,3,4,5) 7 (0,1,2,3,4,5,6) (0,1,2,3,4,5,6). On this particular lock, you can do nothing else from the depth keys of value. But, you have solved definitavely for 2 of the 5 pins, and have eliminated several possibilites from the remaining pins. At this point, you could cut the key 60700 Assuming you dont violate MACS. Any MACS violations could help you narrow things down a bit further. Now, Impression the remaining 3 pins. You may be able to dermine with careful pick feeling that the second pin is not 0, 1, 2, 3, and that the last two pins are also not 0,1,2,3 and the same height (in this case). Its not perfect, but it could be usefull.
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Postby hozer2k » 10 Jan 2004 22:58

Well, I am looking for something to do on more locks than just a 5 pin tumbler for one.

If I were to do a 5 pin tumber, I can make a foil impression real quickly and it will get me pretty close and could make impression rather quickly from that starting point.

But I am looking for something different than that.
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Postby joecool2727 » 11 Jan 2004 1:55

could someone pleaz explain to me what foil impressioning is?
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Postby hozer2k » 11 Jan 2004 2:21

Joe, do a search.
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Postby marso » 11 Jan 2004 6:22

Color coded pins :)
http://www.lock-picks.com/rekey.htm

Basically impressioning is a way of making a key out of a pin/wafer lock.
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Postby hozer2k » 11 Jan 2004 13:21

Marso, huh? I dont get what the pins have to do with anything nor how this describes foil impressioning.
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Postby Chucklz » 11 Jan 2004 14:28

Color coded pins allow for easy "reading" through the cylinder with a good otoscope.
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Postby hozer2k » 11 Jan 2004 16:04

So how does this help me in any way?
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Postby marso » 11 Jan 2004 16:38

hozer2k if you look at the topic it talks about decoding. There are a number of nice forums on foil impressioning.

viewtopic.php?t=1405

And thanks Chucklz for a nice explaination. I was hoping some people would have thought the same way I did when they saw the pictures.
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Postby hozer2k » 11 Jan 2004 17:01

Marso, you confuse the heck out of me. I started that thread, built the tools, and have done foil impressioning. Why are you telling me this? I am confused by what you guys are saying.

I am looking for a way to DECODE a lock once it is picked, read my original post here ok, please.
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