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Re-keying Equipment

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Re-keying Equipment

Postby Exodus5000 » 28 Jul 2005 22:00

I need your guys' opinions.

I'm wanting to get the proper equipment to re-key locks, because that is by far the most requested job that I get. That's a lot of money out the window because I simply don't have the tools.

As far as a pin kit, I was thinking about getting this set: http://www.lockpicks.com/index.asp?Page ... ProdID=346

Can anyone comment or recommend a better one?

Also, I will need a code cutter to cut keys for the locks I rekey I would assume. Can anyone recomend a good one that's not outragrous in price?

As far as key blanks go, i'll buy those last. I have a feeling I can find what key blanks I need most of by making a trip to the hardware store and finding out which ones they sell the most of (my guess is kwikset.)

I know i'm asking a lot, but this information will probably be useful to others as well. Thanks.

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Postby HeadHunterCEO » 28 Jul 2005 22:10

big lab 005 kit

key copier

sc1 kw1 ar1 yi 250 blanks each

shims

4 AL 1 1/8 mortise adam rite cams
4 AL rim cylinders
2 sngl , 2dbl arrow DBs
2 entry knobs 626
2 entry knobs 605

have 2 or 3 = rings of 6 keys all cut the same
FOR THEW MOST PREvelent KWs in your area.

if you don't have a copier of yopur own then go to another locksmithand bring them diffrent keys to copy and build your rings



can get by for awhile
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Postby Chrispy » 29 Jul 2005 5:51

And some plug followers and a magnetic tray.... :P
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Postby fixer » 29 Jul 2005 7:12

You have a choice of pinning kits from LAB. There is the .003 kit and the .005 kit. The difference is in the spacing between individual pin sizes. If you are re-keying old locks for people, I would go for the .003 kit as you can go up/down in small increments from the 'correct' size in order to make the lock work smoothly.

A small duplicator is a good investment. Try to get a 12V model or you then need to run an inverter to get 110 in your vehicle.

Get a good follower set (HPC make one) and also get some of the cheap kwikset followers. I use the cheap followers most of the time, but you get that odd lock that you need the follower kit for.

Buy (or make) a set of pin tweezers. They will save you oodles of time trying to put the springs and top pins back into the cylinder after you have an oops with the plug follower. :)

HeadHunterCEO gave a good list of other items, but if the budget allows, there are some other machines worth investing in.

HPC 1200 code machine
Blue Punch (Kwikset and Schlage)

However, these 3 machines will set you back about $5000 depending on where you get them and what accessories you get. I would buy the code machine first. The punches are just a time saver.

When I started as a locksmith, I just had hand tools and pinning kit and made good money. I made friends with local locksmiths and got 'first keys' from them. If you are friendly to them, some will pass jobs onto you if they are too busy.

When you buy locks for people, buy them with keys. Then when you re-key them, keep the keys in a box. This is the start of your own collection of first keys.

Practice your lock and deadbolt installations. :(

Practice your lock and deadbolt installations. :)

Practice your lock and deadbolt installations. :D

Also don't forget the car lock-out kits. A good kit will pay for itself quickly. With a good kit, the average car opening should take 10 - 15 minutes including writing up an invoice and being pleasant to the poor customer.

Research prices in your area. Don't work too cheaply.
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Postby Varjeal » 29 Jul 2005 9:26

I agree. If ever there was a "quick buck" system...it's with car lockouts...for a couple hundred USD and a yearly update of 30-50 plus the cost of new tools (if they're necessary) and a car opening light, you recoup your investment in a hurry. At somewhere between $30-60/outing plus mileage if out of town, you can be making clear profit in 4-7 jobs.

That could happen on a busy day or weekend quite easily.
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Postby Shrub » 29 Jul 2005 10:07

Not 100% if headhunter was meaning these but you could use space and depth keys instead of getting a code cutter.
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Postby fixer » 29 Jul 2005 18:09

For auto work, I use this kit :-

High Tech Tools

If the base kit is $200 and your minimum lockout fee is $45, you will pay for the kit in 5 trips. If you are the only locksmith doing 3am calls, you could be charging $150+ for a lockout and make up the kit price in 2 calls.

Just don't forget to factor in gas price, wear and tear, insurance and other such expenses that need to be covered when setting your price. Don't haggle with customers over price. I hate it when people expect a discount from a tradesman. I wonder if they go into a restaurant and hagle over the menu prices after sitting at the table?

Back on the subject of key machines. A key duplicator is essential and should be your first investment other than tools and pinning kit. You can use a duplicator as a code machine if you have depth and space keys. However, it is slow that way and since your time is valuable, a code machine would be the next machine to buy. There are a few machines on the market, I believe HPC and Framon are the biggest sellers in the USA. I learned on the HPC and like the 1200 Blitz, but other locksmiths I have spoken to love their Framon machines. The best advice would be to see if any local locksmiths would let you come and look at their machines or work in their shop for a while. When I was learning the trade, I volunteered to work for free to get some shop experience. The shop owner actually gave me money after a couple of days because I was helpfull and did some of the routine key cutting work while his employees got on with their commercial work.

Some links for you :-

HPC Inc

Framon Manufacturing

Intralock Tools
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