Hook or half diamond?

by **Shadowx** » 4 Aug 2005 16:45

Which do you prefer and which is better for a beginner? I made myself a half hook but have had limited success although I am new. Should I make a half diamond? I understand diamonds move in the lock easier but hooks give better feedback, what should I do?

by **Santos718** » 4 Aug 2005 17:37

by **Chrispy** » 4 Aug 2005 19:39

And so continues the age old debate of hook v.s. diamond. The cosmic ballet.... goes on. :roll:

Hook, shallow, shallow hook.

by **cracksman** » 4 Aug 2005 19:59

small hook

by **kodierer** » 5 Aug 2005 23:58

I prefere diamond. However in many locks the hook can set the back pins easier.
Practice with both, and make your own decision. You can combo rake, and pick with a diamond easier as well. It double for both like a champ

by **devildog** » 6 Aug 2005 13:00

Assemble an electric pick from an electric toothbrush and a coat hanger, and don't forget the tension wrench--that should do for a good beginning tool.

by **devildog** » 6 Aug 2005 13:01

No, wait....short hook.

by **Kaellman** » 6 Aug 2005 18:21

Hook..

by **SFGOON** » 6 Aug 2005 19:54

I've honestly always preferred the half-snowman....

by **wtf|pickproof?** » 7 Aug 2005 2:46

A slim DIY Falle style deephook opens (nearly) all locks for me. Even restricted keyways are no real problem. It's very good for single pin raking too.

by **Chrispy** » 7 Aug 2005 3:26

wtf|pickproof? wrote:A slim DIY Falle style deephook opens (nearly) all locks for me. Even restricted keyways are no real problem. It's very good for single pin raking too.

by **wtf|pickproof?** » 7 Aug 2005 4:37

Chrispy wrote:
wtf|pickproof? wrote:A slim DIY Falle style deephook opens (nearly) all locks for me. Even restricted keyways are no real problem. It's very good for single pin raking too.

Hmm, maybe the wrong term. What I wanted to say was something like "scrubbing along the pins to set them", or just plain raking, which apears uncorrect to me as I just manipulate one pin at a time. Please tell me how you think, this should be called. A fancy smiley isn't always enough.

by **Chrispy** » 7 Aug 2005 4:47

wtf|pickproof? wrote:Hmm, maybe the wrong term. What I wanted to say was something like "scrubbing along the pins to set them", or just plain raking, which apears uncorrect to me as I just manipulate one pin at a time. Please tell me how you think, this should be called. A fancy smiley isn't always enough.

My fancy smileys are always enough. Scrubbing along the pins to set them is raking, and manipulating individual pins in simply picking. I wasn't familiar with 'single pin raking', that's what the fancy smiley was for. :wink:

by **vector40** » 7 Aug 2005 6:13

*googley eyes at SFGOON*

I'm a half diamond guy, but then, I'm a raker. You may need to specify methodology; I suspect most of the guys shouting hook are talking about single-pin picking, for which the answer is practically self-evident.

by **helix** » 7 Aug 2005 6:14

I think wtf is talking about using the angle on the side
of the half diamond to lift the single pin, much the same way as a latch moves in when it hits the strikeplate.

I do that too, and for that reason, I would recommend for a
beginner, the hook.

This will teach you to be consistently opening locks.

Although they are both very useful, it is personal opinion.

Learn to pick single pins, then learn to rake etc.

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