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Postby A.Spencer2 » 9 Aug 2005 12:27

Hey I am Aaron from Charleston West Virginia. I have been leaching info from this forum for the last couple of days,because I was on (digg.com) the a few days ago and say a video of a guy picking some locks,I was amazed how smoothly he did it and ever since I saw that video, I've wanted to learn anything and everything I can.Trust me I don't want to break into people's houses,that would be a bad idea,but I have been locked out of my house with my mom and dad like 2 or 3 times, and got lucky enough that one window was unlocked. So I would like to learn the skill in case it ever happens to me or someone I know again.
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New member introduction

Postby foo » 9 Aug 2005 13:03

Greetings, I'm new here, thought I'd introduce myself.

I'm not a complete newbie when it comes to lock picking.

I first discovered lockpicking around 15 years ago, I think the MIT guide got me started, but I can't remember if that's the first thing I read.

I've had limited success picking inexpensive deadbolts and small padlocks, and I used lockpicking as my topic for my "process/how-to" speech when I took speech 101 in college.

Over the years I put together a small collection of lock stuff: picks, interesting locks, pick guns, etc...

My interest in lockpicking waned and I pursued a career in computer network security. For a while I did computer security stuff in a very physically secure environment: a government SCIF facility. During that time, the "day" door to the SCIF was replaced, and I trash-picked the 5 button Simplex lock from that door. Finally I was able to make sense of *hobbit*'s excellent Simplex lock bypass procedure.

Matt Blaze's recent paper on safe locks has re-piqued my interest in physical security issues. Shortly after reading his paper I found a killer TL15 safe at a salvage place: locked, no combo available. In about 2 hours I had it open, and I was hooked.

The lock was a plain S&G 6730, but with plastic wheels.

I bought the safe, and have been collecting safe stuff for the past several months.

I'm planning to install a LaGard 4 wheel redundant electronic / mechanical lock into my safe. For those familiar with modern safe locks, this is a neat item: It works exactly like the locks described in the Blaze paper (but with 4 wheels) and has one extra feature:

The lever has an extra pivot point about halfway along its length. The lever nose is a seperate part, and, because of this pivot, the nose can fall into the cam/driver even when the fence is held up by the wheel pack.

There is a tiny solenoid mounted to the lever. When the solenoid is not energized, it's shaft acts like a pin, holding the two halves of the lever assembly rigid. It's a completely normal mechanical lock in this mode.

Enter the combination on the auxiliary keypad and the solenoid will retract, allowing the nose to fall into the driver without entering the mechanical combination. So, there are 2 ways to open this lock: dial the combination (I looove mechanical stuff) or push the buttons (makes the wife happy).

Super neato. except that I need 3 new holes in my safe to use this lock: 1 for the wire, and 2 for the mounting screws. This could be an ordeal.

Ordinarily I'm a lurker in forums like these, but I really want access to the "advanced" area because that's where the safe stuff is (supposed to be).

So, I post.

While I'm at it, I'm also working on a robo-dialer. I hope to make it a robo-manipulator (like softdrill). I just got the stepper motor yesterday. I think you'll be able to see the progress here, but I'm not sure because I've never used this host before:

http://www.sendmefile.com/00039306

If someone cares to recommend a free webhost for movies like this, that would be great.
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cool

Postby A.Spencer2 » 9 Aug 2005 13:11

Wow a pc dialing you safe code, pretty neat.
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Re: cool

Postby foo » 9 Aug 2005 13:24

A.Spencer2 wrote:Wow a pc dialing you safe code, pretty neat.


Thanks! ...And I'm glad to know that the movie host works!

I just got the stepper motor yesterday, so I have made no progress on actual hookup of the motor to a safe dial.

I'm planning to get timing pulleys and belts from this place:
http://www.sdp-si.com/

...Though I might just go with a flexy driveshaft and hook up directly to my motor.

I can control my motor to within 1/4 of a number in direct drive mode. Good for precision, but what you saw in the video is about as fast as I can reliably turn it.

My options seem to be:
A) gear it up with a belt drive
B) dial slowly in direct drive
C) get a different motor

Anyway, to continue a theme here... I could talk about safe stuff all day.

Manipulation, false gates, lever noses with egg-shaped rollers, duress switches, back dialing, manipulation resistant designs (I really like the S&G 8500)...

But I can't get into those forums. I fear I'm going to hurt the signal to noise ratio around here.
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Postby Chrispy » 9 Aug 2005 16:39

Just a bit of advice, if you start posting about safe opening techniques (even though that's very knowledgable of you :) ) your posts will most likely be deleted by mods. Information like that is strictly kept to the advanced forums. Welcome to LP101 and happy picking. :)
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Postby foo » 9 Aug 2005 17:17

Chrispy wrote:Just a bit of advice, if you start posting about safe opening techniques (even though that's very knowledgable of you :) ) your posts will most likely be deleted by mods. Information like that is strictly kept to the advanced forums. Welcome to LP101 and happy picking. :)


Thanks for the tip, and for the welcome, Chrispy.

I don't think I've crossed a line yet. My dialer will simply twist the dial. Safe opening by entering the combination shouldn't come as a suprise to anyone. :-)

If the moderators feel otherwise, I'm sure I'll figure that out.

Anyhoo, I'd like to be able to post in the correct area, but I'm not allowed into there.

Once I'm allowed in, I think I'll be able to make a solid contribution.

In the meantime, I'm just here to rack up the probationary posts :-)
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Postby Chrispy » 9 Aug 2005 20:33

foo wrote:In the meantime, I'm just here to rack up the probationary posts :-)

Just a helpful tip on those 'probationary posts'

Mr. Picks wrote:3. If you've applied but have not been given a decision, it's because your account is being looked over and previous posts examined.
Here are some things the entire mod team will look for when examining your previous posts:
a.) Quality. (20-50 posts of "search you newbie" and "I bought picks" are not considered quality.)
b.) Informaton. (how much info did you provide to others? how much was provided to you? both are good things.)
c.) Growth. (Some of those already given status have come a long ways.)
d.) Quantity (helps to get to know you before you are approved/invited.) In other words, a good 20-50 posts at LEAST.
e.) Getting along with others. (Pretty important stuff there. Not so much as never arguing, but being able to resolve disputes and getting along regardless.)

:)
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Postby blahtheblahblah » 10 Aug 2005 3:33

hi guys ,i joined yesterday cause i think this site is pefect for learning lockpicking.
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Postby Santos718 » 10 Aug 2005 8:20

Welcome!!!
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Read the Rules(and I mean ALL OF THEM)
Use the search Function before creating a new thread, your question might have already been answered, or atleast, addressed.
Happy Reading(which there is tons to do) and Happy Picking.
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If your search comes up inconclusive, feel free to create a new thread or ask anyone.

Enjoy!! 8)
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Self-introduction

Postby StevenJ » 10 Aug 2005 15:45

Aloha Pickers, I found my way here on a semi-futile but always informorative (not a real word) quest for the key to an alarm reset for a 2000 Ford Focus. This is my octagenarian Mom's car and the ignition key just refused to physically turn one morning on MY watch. The Ford Foci lovers' web sites generate megabytes of curses towards Ford Motor Co. which led me to drill out the I.C.. Now the key turns and I get lights, radio and an "I've been stolen" indicator even though I have the key in proximity. I need to reset the alarm. Ford dealer wants $350 to reset it denying the fault as theirs. Here's first link http://www.motorage.com/motorage/data/a ... rticle.pdf
I am a Network Field Service engineer for the Navy and Marine Corp and a submarine veteran who has worked with many nuke security schemes so I can converse though locksmithing has it's own language and anacronyms: IC is Ignition Cylinder vice Integrated Circuit, etc. So here I will lurk for awhile until I can speakee your lingo. Thanks for the site pass:)
respectfully, StevenJ
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Re - New to this site

Postby toledo816 » 12 Aug 2005 4:14

Hello everyone, Just starting out as a Locksmith and obviously trying to get as much experience as possible. The site appears to be quite good, so hopefully through time i will be able to pick up a few tips etc along the way. Kind Regards Toledo816
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Postby Chrispy » 12 Aug 2005 4:21

blahtheblahblah wrote:hi guys ,i joined yesterday cause i think this site is pefect for learning lockpicking.

You don't say? :lol:

Welcome to LP101 guys. :wink:
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Postby sublime progie » 12 Aug 2005 5:48

welcom everybody
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A Fantastic Site

Postby panalman » 12 Aug 2005 9:47

Hello all.
Thanks for the wealth of info that’s on this site I came across you guys whilst visiting a Dutch lock sports site.

I have a passion for mechanical puzzles and a lock is one of the best around. I do work in an environment which involves lock problems so I can get a lot practice.

Before I found this site I was on the brink of parting with some money to the BLA for training and after reading some of the threads about them I decided to enrol on one of the courses recommended on this site, it was very good and who knows one day I maybe able to call myself a locksmith.
Thanks
There is always a solution to a problem and a way in without destruction !!!!!
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Postby triman247 » 12 Aug 2005 19:03

It seems like we've been getting some knowledgable people on the site recently.

Welcome everyone and remember to search and not ask questions until you really really can't find an answer because most times the answer is there somewhere.

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