Original idea?

by **cha0s** » 9 Aug 2005 16:42

Ok so i thought this up a few minutes ago and wanted some input. Its a lock with 3 pins insted of 2. (Driver pin, Key pin, Cha0s pin?) haha. Anway between what we will refer to as the Cha0s pin and the keypin would be another spring. This would make you think that you did not set the pin and have more trouble picking it... Do you think this would add security?

by **MeRZHiN** » 9 Aug 2005 16:48

i think it would be better if you had 2 hulls wich both turn in a differnet way, so that you have to insert the key, turn to one way. and then turn to another way. wich would work extremely good with this lock

by **Santos718** » 9 Aug 2005 16:49

MeRZHiN wrote:i think it would be better if you had 2 hulls wich both turn in a differnet way, so that you have to insert the key, turn to one way. and then turn to another way. wich would work extremely good with this lock

I like that idea.

by **Chrispy** » 9 Aug 2005 16:52

It's good that you are thinking of ideas, but I'm pretty sure that one won't work. The fact that there is a spring on either side of the shear line will prevent the pins from lining up properly. At least, that's what I think. I could be wrong.

by **Santos718** » 9 Aug 2005 17:02

Chrispy wrote:It's good that you are thinking of ideas, but I'm pretty sure that one won't work. The fact that there is a spring on either side of the shear line will prevent the pins from lining up properly. At least, that's what I think. I could be wrong.

Not completely, the pins will line up at first. But here are two scenarios:

1. The spring, after time, will lose its strenght, hence, the pins won't reach the shear line when the key is inserted.

2. Picking the lock. If you happen to lift the pin to high, and bind the lower spring, the wrong tension will bend the spring out of proportion. It may never set again. Not even with the key.

by **MeRZHiN** » 9 Aug 2005 17:50

yes, but wouldn't that make the lock very close to impossible to pick? it will be possible, but VERY! hard

by **Santos718** » 9 Aug 2005 18:05

MeRZHiN wrote:yes, but wouldn't that make the lock very close to impossible to pick? it will be possible, but VERY! hard

yes, it would. But if it was ever picked, and was picked wrong. They lock may never open again.

by **MeRZHiN** » 9 Aug 2005 18:27

true, but this might be the way for places that need very high security. you can add some serated/spool pins, and bang. you have quite a hard lock

by **cha0s** » 9 Aug 2005 18:57

me and merzhin get all the profit!

by **SFGOON** » 9 Aug 2005 19:39

A lock like this would require a great deal of mechanical tolerance at the shear line to remain operable under field conditions. Springs are fine to provide a counterforce to a key, but they are not precise enough to provide a consistent enough dimension for a lock. Also, who says it would be any harder to pick? Once the springs are fully compressed against the counterforce of gravity and/or the driver springs, you have, in essense, a plain ol pin tumbler.

Good thinkng though.

by **cracksman** » 9 Aug 2005 20:02

The lock does not make any sense, if your ??? pin is to be used it must remain below the shear line, thus rendering it a normal pin. The bottom spring doesn't seem to have a function. Perhaps I'm missing something, if so please fill me in.

by **cha0s** » 9 Aug 2005 20:18

the bottom spring would still put force on the key pin making you think the pin isnot set

by **Santos718** » 9 Aug 2005 20:31

cha0s wrote:the bottom spring would still put force on the key pin making you think the pin isnot set

I see where you are coming from, but, the spring wouldn't work unless it has something to press up against. The ??? pin wouldn't give enough feedback to "bend" the spring. So technically the spring would just lift ??? Pin above the shear line and then give feedback. So the minute you get stronger feedback, you know the ???pin is set. And if the ???Pin is not meant to be set, the minute you feel the stronger feed back, you would ease up on the lifting slightly, and set the driver.

Anyone else see where I'm going with this?

by **Chrispy** » 9 Aug 2005 20:54

Essentially, all you've done is create three shear lines instead of one. That's more chance of the lock being picked anyway, no matter what effect it has on the pins. Also, if it's been picked at one of the shear lines with the spring, it will have more chance of rendering the lock unusable due to the high chance of the spring getting stretched/damaged/stuck.

by **Santos718** » 9 Aug 2005 21:03

Chrispy wrote:Essentially, all you've done is create three shear lines instead of one. That's more chance of the lock being picked anyway, no matter what effect it has on the pins. Also, if it's been picked at one of the shear lines with the spring, it will have more chance of rendering the lock unusable due to the high chance of the spring getting stretched/damaged/stuck.

way ahead of you compadre :wink:

Santos718 wrote:2. Picking the lock. If you happen to lift the pin to high, and bind the lower spring, the wrong tension will bend the spring out of proportion. It may never set again. Not even with the key.

Glad too see someome sees the same thing I do.

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