WOW!! YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS NOTE ON THE KWICKSET WEBSITE

[enp]

"For over fifty years, Kwikset has meant security and peace of mind for millions of families. We strive to earn that trust every day. Our locks are continuously tested for excellence in mechanisms and finish, often exceeding industry standards. Some of the best warranties in the business back our locks. It is because our reputation is on the door. Your door. The doors of your family, friends, and neighbors." [u]The President of Kwickset[/u]
I am reading this and realizing wow what a scary world we live in if people rely on kwickset that much i pick my quickset deadbolt in less than a minute and i am a beginner. In most cases i would agree with the argument that if a burglar wanted to get into your house their are much faster was than picking the lock, but if its a kwickset its probably faster just to pick it. I am going to upgrade my door to a schlage but this note is really disturbing.

[Pheniox]

wow.... I am debating stickying this just to make sure everyone reads it.

[Chucklz]

With such advertising, I would hope that someone would offer a demonstration of the Kwikset quality. And by this I mean something simple. Hand someonoen a Kwickpick deadbolt and then a Schlage grade 2 deadbolt. Let them feel the mass difference, and see the metal difference. Then hand them a Grade 1 deadbolt. Then see what they hang on their door.

[CitySpider]

My usual response to anyone who talks about this side of lockpicking is that it's always faster to bust a window. However, you guys are right -- in this case, I could pick both the doorknob and the deadbolt, if they're both Kwikset, before I could get in through a window.

I'd say eighty percent of the locks on residences are Kwiksets, and I'm just making up that number -- and I'd love to know why. Is it that they're five bucks cheaper? Are people convinced that they're "good enough?" Seriously, what do you all think the thinking is there?

[hozer2k]

What percentage of the population could pick a lock though? Very small. How many times would a burglar actually pick a lock? Very few.

I really doubt a schlage or a kwikset really makes a different in the real world.

[Darek84CJ]

What percentage of the population could pick a lock though? Very small. How many times would a burglar actually pick a lock? Very few.

I really doubt a schlage or a kwikset really makes a different in the real world.

No, it does. If a robber comes up the door, pretending to be a sales man to scope out the area, and he sees a kwicset, he'll grin, find out when your not home, and under the cover of darkness pick in, steal, and hell, even lock the door on the way out.

[enp]

No, it does. If a robber comes up the door, pretending to be a sales man to scope out the area, and he sees a kwicset, he'll grin, find out when your not home, and under the cover of darkness pick in, steal, and hell, even lock the door on the way out.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!

[Varjeal]

Chucklz: Your demonstration idea is one I use all the time, actually. I don't stock either Weiser or Kwikset, as I use a Grade 2 knock-off brand (called Scorpion for those interested) which is twice the quality and the entry sets work on a clutch mechanism and are far more durable. Not only that, but the cylinders can be changed to match nearly any residential keyway. Price difference? About $5. I keep an old Weiser in the vehicle for that demo purpose.

I had the customer the full weiser entrance set, latch and all, and then hand them my knock-off brand lockset (no latch, inside knob or rose included) All they have to do is feel the difference and the old weiser goes back into the vehicle.

[hozer2k]

But when you kick a door in, doesnt the door frame usually go...not the lock itself right?

Someone please clarify how a stronger deadbolt helps prevent brute force break in. If the lock isnt the weakest link then it doesnt matter how strong it is.

[Varjeal]

Actually, in some cases (especially with a poor quality lock and poor quality install job) both (and possibly the door itself) will go.

When the strike plate for a quality deadbolt is installed correctly with the 2 1/2 Or 3" screws into a properly manufactured frame, it makes it pretty difficult for a door to be kicked in without the intruder hurting themselves.

With all other things being equal, a stronger lock will not bend or break like a cheaper lock will when force is applied.

That said, you are correct. The rest of the door and frame must also be looked at when increasing security.

[Grudge]

Kwiksets are worthless from a pick resistance standpoint, but think about this: 32% of all burglars enter through an UNLOCKED window or door! 50% break the door down or jimmy it. And only about 7% use a passkey or pick the lock. Soooo, statistically LOCKING your Kwikset is more important than buying a pick resistant lock.

Also the overall security of an entrance is a function of the lock set (its strength and pick resistance), the door, the frame and resistance to bypass methods.

So, for instance, it doesn't really add to security to have a Medeco on a double set of French doors (one broken pane of glass or a swift kick and your toast). Nor do people realize that a pet door or mailslot can provide access for a bypass methods than render your steel door, reinforced frame and high security deadbolt worthless.

[Chucklz]

Im sure Varjeal will have plenty to add to this, but I personally love the door wraps, ie Mag wrap. They look nice, and seem to add a good deal of stength for around 20$. Again I must strongly disagree with the "its good enough" standpoint on grade 1 locksets. A few years ago, there was a string of robberies a few towns away. The robbers simply smacked the lockset with a hammer. I think everyhomeowner should have to read this http://www.thenationallocksmith.com/Nat ... /index.cfm

and for all of you otu there who still have an old kwikkie on your front door, call up a locksmith, and let him/her help you.

[Varjeal]

Yeah, door wraps..reinforcers...latch protectors, Bolt-Buddy and Don-Jo are my hero's when it comes to protecting the door/lock/frame. Some really excellent ideas.

[DEADRAGE]

What percentage of the population could pick a lock though? Very small. How many times would a burglar actually pick a lock? Very few.

I really doubt a schlage or a kwikset really makes a different in the real world.

No, it does. If a robber comes up the door, pretending to be a sales man to scope out the area, and he sees a kwicset, he'll grin, find out when your not home, and under the cover of darkness pick in, steal, and hell, even lock the door on the way out.

A smart robber picks in, loads his van up, locks the door on his way out, then throws a brick thru the window!

[Darek84CJ]

What percentage of the population could pick a lock though? Very small. How many times would a burglar actually pick a lock? Very few.

I really doubt a schlage or a kwikset really makes a different in the real world.

No, it does. If a robber comes up the door, pretending to be a sales man to scope out the area, and he sees a kwicset, he'll grin, find out when your not home, and under the cover of darkness pick in, steal, and hell, even lock the door on the way out.

A smart robber picks in, loads his van up, locks the door on his way out, then throws a brick thru the window!

So when the neighbors hear the noise and they see a van driving away, and see the plate number
Real smart