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angle of the hook

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angle of the hook

Postby sawtenor » 9 Aug 2005 19:39

Hello,
I've made some hook picks and tried with different angles. So far, I prefer a more straight (is it the good word?) angle. But my question is: Is there a specific use for each kind of angle (without going into the deep curves...) or it's all about personnal tastes? I just wanna be sure to not miss anything and to be on the good way. :D
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Postby digital_blue » 9 Aug 2005 20:52

Different locks will respond differently to different hooks. Depending on the size of the keyway, the particular warding of the keyway, the space between pins, etc, you will find that one hook will be better than another depending on the lock. It is the reason that the Falle-Safe set comes with such a variety of hooks. Sort of like "A hook for any occation". I made a set of falle replicas and quickly found that I settled in on a couple of hooks pretty quickly and only pull out the others when I have need for something different. Having said that, I have sure been glad I had the others at times.

Smaller or more restrictive keyways will require a hook with a smaller profile. Locks that are pinned with a high/low configuration will often require a somewhat deeper hook. A lock with a high/low pinning and a tight keyway makes for a more difficult pick because of the conflict between the two factors. Which hook is the right hook in that case? If you don't believe me, ask anyone who has gotten one of cracksman's lockshare locks. :lol:

Hope this helps!

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Postby helix » 9 Aug 2005 22:55

That was the exact conflict that I was having with Cracksmans lock #002.
The pin configuration (high, low, high) demanded a hook that could curve
up under the low pins, to try setting the high pins.

The problem with that, as DB has already said, was that the keyway needed
a smaller profiled hook to fit in there, but it is too small to reach the high pins.

Basically, the hook that would work, didn't fit and the hook that fit, didn't work.

My picks may as well, have been broken for all the help they were.

Make a variety of hooks and you'll find the one that you are most comfortable using.
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Postby digital_blue » 10 Aug 2005 0:47

helix wrote:Basically, the hook that would work, didn't fit and the hook that fit, didn't work.


I couldn't have put it better myself.

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Postby Eyes_Only » 10 Aug 2005 11:39

Smaller keyways like those on luggage locks or el-cheapo drug store padlocks are really ristrictive so a hook pick with a smaller angle is a life saver. From my experience, a standard hook that comes with a small basic pick set is all you'll really need for the most part. I dont think I've ever caught myself using those huge 45 degree angle hooks at all.
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Postby devildog » 10 Aug 2005 15:46

Agreed, you'll generally find that your shallower hooks are the ones that prove to be your most useful ones.

About those dinky little luggage locks....I discovered this a few years ago when I was playing with the one that came with my suitcase; this is, by far, the easiest way to open one, and no tools are required! :D :

1) Secure lock to something (you can just hold it in your hand, too).
2) Grab lock (or the shackle if you're holding it).
3) Pull really hard.

Suprisingly, I found that this doesn't actually destroy the lock...usually...if you don't do it too much :roll:

Of course, this only works on the crappy, cheap, quarter-sized ones that are so small you can't even get you finger through the shackle when they're locked and tend to come with suitcases (I've seen them sold in gumball-type vending machines for 50 cents, too :? ), not Masters or TSA-Approved stuff etc.

Now, if you really want to 'pick' a small cheap lock like that, then don't worry about trying to fit a hook into it--a snake rake will fit much easier, and probably open it a lot faster :D !
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Postby sawtenor » 11 Aug 2005 13:51

Thanks guys, that's very helpful!
Just to have a general idea, what kind of hook do you most use (considering the angle and the lengt)?
Pictures would be helpful (If it's not too asking... :lol: )
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Postby devildog » 11 Aug 2005 14:21

Ooohhh, I would say these are probably the best ones you can get... :roll: 8)

http://www.crypto.com/photos/misc/picks/falle-deep-curve.html
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Postby cracksman » 11 Aug 2005 15:05

Ooohhh, I would say these are probably the best ones you can get...


I have yet to find a lock (accept 2 and that's because I lack the skill) that the #2 curved Falle won't open :wink:
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