Medeco took me down hard

[nightrider]

Well i found a medeco lock on the side of the road and cannot pick it. I've read how difficult it is and very few people have been able to do it. Below are some pics of the lock and i'm hoping someone would maybe have some pointers or recomendations. I know you can't shim this lock the conventional way because it uses ball berings but has anyone ever tried to pick while shimming the plug? I haven't actually found anything small enough to slide on top of the plug but has anyone tried it. Anyways below are the picks. I found it unlocked so that was also strange but it is fun to play with.

[n2oah]

Look under the shackle. Is there a screw holding the cylinder in? If so, you should take the screw out and soak the cylinder in WD-40 for a couple of hours to optimize feedback.
After that, figure out how screwed you are. Biaxial? If not, it's probably just the security pins getting at you? Biaxial locks are very hard to pick, you must bend the pick so it barely fits in the keyway, but will still apply turning force on the pins. You'll probably need to set all of the pins first and then work on turning the pins to align the sidebar.

[TOWCH]

I actually have one of those I've been trying to open, it was given to me without a key so I'm out of luck unless I can pick it. Can you pm me all the information you can on the retaining screw? I'm considering cutting mine out but I don't want to do it unless I know it's exact location well enough to do it cleanly. I may even be able to repair the lock if I do it cleanly enough.

[nightrider]

I don't see a screw but i don't think the pins turn. It does have security pins and that is kicking my butt. God this is fun. Does anyone have a schematic of this lock or can tell me for sure what security features it has?

[yippeegollies]

It is biaxial. You can see the little circle symbol with a piece cut out. (on the left side just above the plug. I personally have never met anyone who could pick medeco locks but I keep hearing tales about how they have been picked. So as they say "I'm from Missouri" (or is it Nebraska?)

My advice is don't even bother trying...

Yip

[nightrider]

Ah yes i can now see what your saying. Well guess i'll just put this in the closet for a really rainy day.

thanks

[n2oah]

The only time I have seen someone pick a biaxial is in a tool competition (on video) The lock was a T14 Medeco Biaxial, and Barry Wels picked it in 1:58.07, quite amazing for a biaxial lock.

[SFGOON]

It's Missouri and yes, it's a bastard to pick. I can imagine how it would be done, but like yipee, I've never seen it actually happen.....

[n2oah]

http://www.toool.nl/competitie.wmv

Right click and "save as".

[TOWCH]

I've come close but my thumb was killing me and I was forced to give up.

[quickpicks]

I have one that looks exactly the same as Nightrider's lock with only two exceptions. Mine is real grubby and has chubb written on it. Also found and has no key. No retaining screw, sidebar is on right side (guessing from location of drill resistant plates) and six pins. An auto tensioner is great if you want to take a break and come back to picking it without the pins resetting.

[TOWCH]

What's the sidebar mechanism? SFIC, LFIC?

[n2oah]

Biaxial is the sidebar (not sure if that made sense)

[TOWCH]

Oops. I ment what style retaining mechanism it uses if not a screw.

[yippeegollies]

The only time I have seen someone pick a biaxial is in a tool competition (on video) The lock was a T14 Medeco Biaxial, and Barry Wels picked it in 1:58.07, quite amazing for a biaxial lock.

"on video" doesn't count. I could pick anything on video. I would want to examine the lock and make sure it was set up properly. ie;A stack of thin master pins in each chamber would make picking it a lot easier or any number of other sneaky fixes.

I don't know who Barry Wels is. I'm sure he's an honorable guy, but I would still want to see it myself.

Yip