Schlage grade 1 and 2 lock question

by **Darek84CJ** » 4 Jan 2004 17:19

Hey guys. I was wondering what type pins are contained in grade 1 and 2 schlage locks. I've heard spool pins, is that correct? Also, do schlage dead bolts and keyinknob contain the same type of locks, if they are both grade 1 or 2 or whatever? Meaning if you can pick a grade 1 schlage deadbolt, will picking a grade 1 schlage key in knob will be just as easy?
Thanks
-Darek

by **marso** » 12 Jan 2004 5:04

At a really quick look at their site I notice that the grading mentions nothing about Lock picking.
http://consumer.schlage.com/main/homeowner/grade.htm

Every Schlage lock and deadbolt undergoes the following tests to determine their grade level:

Cycle tests
Door impact tests
Bolt strength tests
Resistance tests
Warped door tests

Also note that some locks depending on pin order, condition of lock, luck and a few other things may mean you might pick a Grade1 lock but have trouble with Grade2. Or even worst pick a Grade1 and not be able to pick another lock.

Having said all that I have nfi and have never tried to pick a schlage regardless of grade.

by **Greg** » 12 Jan 2004 6:43

Err.. Im confused about the grades... is Grade 1 more secure than Grade 2? or is Grade 2 more secure?

by **Grudge** » 12 Jan 2004 7:22

The grades most manufactures talk about are ANSI/BHMA 156.2, 156.5 and 156.13. These standards mostly have to do with the mechical reliability of the lock mechanism (i.e. how many times you can work the deadbolt before it breaks, how much torque can the knob take, can it stand exposure to salt water). Grade 1 is the best under this system.

They really don't address how 'pickable' a lock is, thus the mighty :wink:

Kwickset deadbolt could easily be a 1 or a 2 and yet rake open in a few seconds. You can find out more at:

http://www.buildershardware.com/2010.html

by **Greg** » 12 Jan 2004 7:27

Thanks for the info

by **Grudge** » 12 Jan 2004 12:09

Forgot to mention: The only standard I know of for picking and drill resistance is UL437. That, plus a patented keyway (so you can't buy blank keys easily) is what most organizations call for in a "high security" lock.

by **marso** » 13 Jan 2004 7:47

I thought the below links were funny and kinda related to this thread.

http://www.thenationallocksmith.com/Nat ... /index.cfm
http://www.thenationallocksmith.com/Nat ... /index.cfm

by **Eyes_Only** » 13 Jan 2004 13:28

Most all the locks here shouldnt be much of a problem to pick... http://consumer.schlage.com/main/prodcat/prodcat.htm. The first lock on the list (maximum security deadbolt) ive pick a few times myself, they have spool tumblers but if you're proficient at picking it wont be much of a challenge. Everything else down the list should be the same except mybe the contractor series. Ive never had the chance to pick those yet but since its for commercial applications it might be more pick resistant, cant be sure 100% though...

by **Grudge** » 13 Jan 2004 14:43

Marso, thanks for the links. Funny and informative.

by **Darek84CJ** » 13 Jan 2004 17:24

Eyes_Only wrote:Most all the locks here shouldnt be much of a problem to pick... http://consumer.schlage.com/main/prodcat/prodcat.htm. The first lock on the list (maximum security deadbolt) ive pick a few times myself, they have spool tumblers but if you're proficient at picking it wont be much of a challenge. Everything else down the list should be the same except mybe the contractor series. Ive never had the chance to pick those yet but since its for commercial applications it might be more pick resistant, cant be sure 100% though...

Thx man

by **randmguy** » 18 Jan 2004 9:45

Eyes_Only I am looking back at the literature from the Schlage Contractor Series roll out and the only differences mentioned are in the finish on the trim and the marking system for the bitting on the locks. I think they wanted to make it easier for a general contractor to match all the keyed locks without having to let the yahoos at Menard's rekey them to match.

by **Eyes_Only** » 18 Jan 2004 15:34

Not much different huh? Well I guess I'll buy a few Kaba locks or schlage primus instead, dont want to waste my money on something easy. Thanks for the heads up.

by **Chucklz** » 18 Jan 2004 17:22

I would say that an ANSI 1 or 2 lock would be more "secure" overall, due to the fact that it would be far more durable against brute force attacks.

If you are looking to buy locks for picking, I recommend looking at mortise or rim cylinders. They are nice to hold, and dont cost as much as a full lockset.

by **Wade** » 11 Jun 2005 19:57

marso wrote:At a really quick look at their site I notice that the grading mentions nothing about Lock picking.

On the box of a schlage grade 1 or 2 lock, it says it has pick-resistant pins

Schlage grade 1 and 2 lock question

Schlage grade 1 and 2 lock question

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