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Metallurgy question--defeat hardened padlock shackles?

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Postby fixer » 25 Aug 2005 15:49

In the United Kingdom, I knew someone that had a impound lot for towed cars. He placed a hardened steel chain and a hardened padlock with a shroud on the shackle.

For a couple of days nothing happened, then he saw tool marks on the chain and part of a broken bolt cutter jaw on the floor.

Nothing else happened for a week and then when he came into work, the gates were open :shock:

The bad guys had given up on the chain and the lock and instead cut through the gate above and below the chain. The padlock and chain were still intact.

After this he used a simple padlock and chain and a very large dog. Much more effective :D
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Postby Mad Mick » 25 Aug 2005 19:54

I've also heard of geese being 'employed' for guard duties in breaker's yard. Break yer leg in a heartbeat.

Although, I tend to unintentionally attract the larger women, so a 300lb'er in a Lycra dress would scare me off!

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Postby pretender » 26 Aug 2005 20:51

Thanks to the joys of a few beers I've decided to covertly return and take a look at this thread - a dirty, conniving little sneak I must be. :)

Compelled to resume my participance in this forum, I suppose - for reasons of my own.

I apologize for the brash and irrational departure and posts made - whatever the effects may have been from them; good or bad. I still can't agree that getting ripped across an electronic rack is the most effective or considerate method to decide some simple, principled arguments.

Too infrequently are there people who will simply state, outright, that something is crap - and encourage others to help fix this. I feel that this guy did precisely that. The insults certainly got attention, and they're often justified. Moreso when the gravity of potential consequences is taken into consideration - what do the friggin' victims scream? :)

Most problems that arise here and on similar forums and newsgroups - they are security-based. Here, at least, it's just words and a little worry. Usually.

In the real world, the arguments end up moot after someone figures these things out themselves, and then it's a problem of:

"Well...all my stuff got taken, and the insurance company doesn't want to pay out; the police say they're on it but doubt they'll find the culprit...what now? I've got a business to run!"

What I saw was someone stating "Hey, what's the point of all this - learn to pick it, to rip it off the object you want into, or get something that can just cut it! No one trying this stuff will bother with that!"

Maybe he's a bitter locksmith who's tired of fixing this stuff and seeing distraught people, or a criminal who revels in this assorted crap and seeks to gloat - but one word - just one word - should not define an entire argument. That's where it fails.

Motives don't change the facts, for chrissakes. If someone wants to call you a jerk, that is entirely independent of the problem regarding your tool shed and the master lock on it.

I deal in the things that deserve arguing, generally. If I am to be attacked on other matters requiring similar credentials and so forth, do it on an fair basis. The day detractors of mine can run a Heidelberg is the day I give some assaults equal merit.

Chrispy - you blew your argument assuming I was self-righteous; were I still going after that label, I'd be out robbing people senseless and feeling egotistical and getting my nice documentary on the A&E channel about just how cool I was until I got caught. Self-righteousness assumes I have some agenda to pursue - this is the internet; at most I try to lend some credibility to statements I make. Getting money, making it, and the difference between pride about a job and holding a position - huge, huge problems. Think about it.

Been around the block in ways that could trump a lot of things, and I just don't want to discuss it. That doesn't sound too arrogant to me.

I'm not going to fight over just how qualified I am to make judgements and statements and have opinions - as I do not feel I have any to begin with.

Apologies, again, for raising a little too much Cain...
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Postby Chrispy » 26 Aug 2005 21:47

pretender wrote:Thanks to the joys of a few beers I've decided to covertly return and take a look at this thread....

Not exactly covert, but whatever floats your boat pretender...... :wink:
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Postby pretender » 26 Aug 2005 23:03

Term applied was adequate.
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Postby cracksman » 26 Aug 2005 23:38

Well Pretender,

All I can do is give a big :D
When I win the lottery me and you will go down
and give Chrispy a big wedgey :D
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Postby pretender » 27 Aug 2005 0:16

He'd like it - just ruining all the fun! :evil:
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Postby quicklocks » 27 Aug 2005 4:29

MURDERERS! YOU ARE ALL LOCK MURDERERS!
cutting :shock:
grinding :shock:
hydrolic cutters :cry:
hack saws :(


how could you i thought this was lockpicking 101.
you have now disturbed me im going into shock.
i need therapy
(curls up in corner rocking backwards and forwards slowly. whilst sucking thumb and sobbing)
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Postby MeRZHiN » 30 Aug 2005 8:45

them lockies lately, there getting insane :P
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Postby n2oah » 30 Aug 2005 13:07

Quicklocks, you forgot about the:
THERMIC LANCES :twisted:
"Lockpicking is what robbing is all about!" says Jim King.
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Postby quicklocks » 30 Aug 2005 16:19

:shock: couldnt bear to mention the th-th-thermic la-la-lances :cry:
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