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Postby vector40 » 1 Sep 2005 20:54

Deadlocks (what you call an anti-thrust bolt) do indeed work like that; when the door is shut, they are depressed, and the mechanism locks the main latch in place. The only caveat is that you must make sure the door is mounted tightly enough to the frame, otherwise the gap is too great, the deadlatch isn't depressed far enough, and it doesn't do its job.

Pretty much all modern doorknobs have them.
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Postby Chucklz » 1 Sep 2005 20:57

Your discussion of anti thrust latches is spot on. In some parts of the world they are called anti-jimmy latches. There are two kinds of latches like this that I am familiar with. The first is the one with the "little bar" that you described. These seem to work well when properly installed. I have seen these installed incorrectly, or even worse installed correctly, but fail to operate as intended. The other kind of latch that I have seen is a seperate entity from the latch, it looks like another smaller latch usually above the actual latch. When the door is shut, this is depressed, preventing the latch from being jimmied.

In the US at least, you can buy a plate that fits on the side of the door, which helps to prevent access to the latch. They aren't perfect, but would be a hard thing for all but the most determined thief.
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Postby Minion » 2 Sep 2005 6:45

I seem to recall a situation in the local student union where the doors had electronic entry (keypad) and there was a plate over where you could shim the door. However, it was secured with two philips screws.

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Postby licehunter2 » 2 Sep 2005 6:51

Thanks for your informative replies.

The other kind of latch that I have seen is a seperate entity from the latch, it looks like another smaller latch usually above the actual latch


I guess that's the one I'm talking about. You can see a picture on the cover page of this PDF (I believe that's the 2030A model on the inside pages). The difference is that the anti-thrust thingy is below the doorlatch rather than above--intuitively, that looks like a better position to me.

In the US at least, you can buy a plate that fits on the side of the door, which helps to prevent access to the latch


They also have the advantage (over anti-thrust bolts) of being visible, thus possibly deterring the thief from wrecking your door in a fruitless attempt in the first place, no?

Vector40:
you must make sure the door is mounted tightly enough to the frame


Good point there. Fortunately, in most residential places that shouldn't be hard to fix.

Pretty much all modern doorknobs have them.


Careful with those generalisations, where I am, it's been years since I last saw one on a door. None of the new buildings I have visited lately have them--in fact what they do generally have is a combination of individually good quality parts, linked by some very weak point, such as the case of the small frame offset in the pictures I posted above.
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Postby wtf|pickproof? » 2 Sep 2005 6:56

Chucklz wrote:In the US at least, you can buy a plate that fits on the side of the door, which helps to prevent access to the latch. They aren't perfect, but would be a hard thing for all but the most determined thief.


This wouldn't stop the door from beeing opened with bare hands. Just a bit of knocking to the right places and TADAAAA youre in.

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Postby n2oah » 2 Sep 2005 7:31

Chucklz wrote:In the US at least, you can buy a plate that fits on the side of the door, which helps to prevent access to the latch. They aren't perfect, but would be a hard thing for all but the most determined thief.


They also provide a great place for sliding a pry bar in. Most I've seen (yes, they were properly installed) had a horrible fit against the frame.
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