what am i doing wrong

[hp]

ok i got another problem ( feels so helpless having to come here like ever 5 minutes ) ok I'm picking a mountain security door nob type lock and i can get my pick in there and lift the pins fine, now from what i read there are only 4 pins and from locking at the key there are only 4 pins now i got all 4 of them set but the lock wont turn at all. do you have any idea what im doing wrong? now i know it wont work on the first try and most likely not the second either but i can pick my bick like in under 30 seconds but you think half a hour and this lock would do something. and i do i have set all 4 pins in b/c i count the clicks when i gave to try again, but what am i doing wrong?

ps~ sorry for all the threads to many things to say that have nothing alike

~HP~

[Chucklz]

A door lock with only four pins... seems rather unlikely. The cheap consumer ones are almost always 5 pins. Post a picture of the key if you can. You may have a 0 cut which you may not be counting. Or my assumption may be crap, and your lock only has 4 pins.

As a beginner, you probably are using far too much tension. Ease up.

[TorchBlower]

Possibly you could be adding the wrong amount of tension on the wrench and/or oversetting the pins above their shear line. I've noticed that light tension usually does the trick on doorknob locks. Think of the tension wrench as if it were the actual key, you wouldn't turn the key with incredible force(unless your lock sucks like mine does) you would use a light turning force. Also consider the fact you might be turning the tension wrench in the wrong direction and if it is that, there is a post somewhere in the forums about different locks and which way to turn the plug in different situations.

Hope this helped

[skold]

Possibly you could be adding the wrong amount of tension on the wrench and/or oversetting the pins above their shear line. I've noticed that light tension usually does the trick on doorknob locks. Think of the tension wrench as if it were the actual key, you wouldn't turn the key with incredible force(unless your lock sucks like mine does) you would use a light turning force. Also consider the fact you might be turning the tension wrench in the wrong direction and if it is that, there is a post somewhere in the forums about different locks and which way to turn the plug in different situations.

Hope this helped

[hp]

oh, i have been using a pretty good amount of tension, its not a hold lot but i bet that is it, thanks, hmm its pretty late here and i got school tomorrow so i will put the pics of the key and lock up tomorrow if i can figer out how, thanks again

[TorchBlower]

Sometimes it's hard to tell if your using a lot of tension or not. Use my "key" simile as a good reference as when picking a lock you are trying to make the lock think you have the key.


Yes I do realize locks aren't living, breathing, and thinking creatures.

[digital_blue]

It's worth noting that counting the clicks when you release tension can be very misleading. You can often hear additional clicks of top pins hitting bottom pins.

Here's the bottom line. I would say it is exceptionally likely that you do not have all four pins set (if it is in fact four pins, but I gotta say that I side with Chuck on this one... it's probably more) because if all the pins were set properly, the plug would turn. So you kinda need to start from the assumption that you do not actually have all the pins set.

First and foremost, find out for sure how many pins you have for sure. Put a half diamond pick in upside down with no tension. Lift all the pins as high as they go, and slowly draw out the pick listening to the pins drop and counting as you go. Once you established for certain how many pins you are working with you will be in better shape to pick this lock.

Let's assume for a moment that it is in fact four pins. You will need to get comfortable feeling whether a pin is set or not. Listening to pins drop when the lock won't open just will not cut it. Feel out each pin individually, and feel for whether you feel tension from the spring pushing the pin down or not. If you find yourself in a situation where it really feels like all pins are set (thus, no spring tension can be detected) then you most likely have a pin "underset". In other words, one or more of you pin stacks have not been lifted enough. You may need to give the pins a little more of a shove one at a time to find the culprit.

It's also worth considering that you may find yourself with a security pin or two, but for the moment assume there is not.

Hope this helps. Happy picking!

db

[treboR]

Mountain security is a kwikset knockoff. It has 5 pins.(At least all of the ones I have seen.)

[funboy79015]

I've never dealt with Mountain Security KIK's, however the Mountain Security deadbolts I have contain a couple of spools (at they did about a year ago when I bought them).

[hp]

thanks robert, I'm guessing i cant lift the 5th pin, i have noticed that when it pick gets in to a certain point it wont lift anymore but i just thought it was the end of the lock