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how many seconds to open this lock?

European hardware -lever locks, profile cylinders specific for European locks. European lock picks and European locks.

how many seconds to open this lock?

Postby goldpanter » 28 Aug 2005 9:28

Hey, I'm from belgium, my english is not so good...
I'm a student, an I live in a house with 8 other students. I think it's not safety in here... at the weekend, there is nobody home!

This is the key of the door:
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1) How many seconds need you to open this lock without damage?
2) Does the dore need another lock?

I put the questions in the off-topic forum because it's not a professional question. Sorry if I put it in the wrong section.
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Postby Minion » 28 Aug 2005 10:11

Looks like a warded lever lock, I think quicklocks would know something about these.
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Postby goldpanter » 28 Aug 2005 10:31

I can't take a picture of the lock, I've no camera at the moment.
(I scanned the key :) )

It's a verry old lock, it could be 30 till 50 years old I think. I would try to search a picture of the same type of lock
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Postby Minion » 28 Aug 2005 10:43

Well, if you look in the FAQ's section, you'll see a post that says something about quicklocks's videos. Go look at the videos and download the lever lock vids.
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Postby Shrub » 28 Aug 2005 11:01

I can open that lock as quick as you can with the key!
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Postby goldpanter » 28 Aug 2005 11:11

this is a picture from the type:
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It is not realy locked...

I think the easiest way toe open it is with this tools:
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As fast as with a key? :shock:
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Postby TOWCH » 28 Aug 2005 14:23

Looks like a 5 lever lever lock to me, non-BS most likely. A 2 in 1 would probably do it. You should probably be more concerned about a weak frame though. Does the door look like you could kick it open?
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Postby Chrispy » 28 Aug 2005 16:00

At least the wards look semi-menacing :D
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Some things may be pick proof, but everything can be bypassed....
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Postby toomush2drink » 28 Aug 2005 18:11

Im curious as it doesnt have a collar on the key yet it appears to have 5 lever type cuts. Judging from the photo it looks like the bit of the key has been silver soldered onto another blank but i think the original would have had a collar.
It should be easy enough to open by overlifting or with 2 wires. You ask if its good enough ? well here in britain that type of lock is generally only used for low security or indoor applications. If you want to upgrade it look to replace it with a bs3621 rated lock. This may not be relevant as you are in belgium but a good upgrade anyway.
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Postby quicklocks » 29 Aug 2005 4:53

that key is for a warded lock and juging by the lack of collar says to me it is only for use from one side so it could be a cabinet type lock or a security type box.
you would need a 2 in 1 that has been adapted to fit round the warding or better two wires.
it probaly respond well to over lifting. as toomush stated.
it seems to be to small for a master from a suit so im guessing it would take 5 mins plus to make the correct wires and pick it.
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Postby NKT » 8 Sep 2005 13:13

And, of course, from that lovely hi-res picture, anyone can make a copy and use it to open the lock!

It looks like the key was handmade anyway, judging by the ward cuts.
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lacka collar

Postby raimundo » 9 Sep 2005 7:56

It could be as simple as two levers, and a bolt pickup. designed to be used from either side of the door. the bolt pick up would be the first and last high lift and which of these would be in use depends on which side of the door you are on, with the levers corresponding to the second middle and forth cuts, so that the second and forth cuts are lifting the same lever but only one if them is used from each side of the door. The key to seeing this arrangement is the symmetry of the cuts. if there were in fact all five levers, what would the point of symmetry be.
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Postby toomush2drink » 9 Sep 2005 9:22

It is definately a 5 lever lock as the cuts dictate this. You disregard the first 2 cuts then count across ie a b a c d. Notice that there are 2 a's this is so that the key can operate from either side.The other 2 cuts you disregard operate the talon (the part attached to the bolt).
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Postby sivlogkart » 10 Sep 2005 2:05

Well it is not very safe now if we can work out where you live, as from that picture we could make a key for your door!

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Standard key

Postby luckyharry » 12 Sep 2005 9:35

Your key looks like a standard key.

I once had a cabin that could be locked with a key. A few years later, I still had the key, and I found that I could use it in my schools sportsequipment closets.

Later, I found out that there are about 40 different patterns with that type of key.

So, my guess is that if you have a large keychain, you could just try every 40 of them, and, eventually, you'd find the right key.
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